Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/08/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Yeah, but this is not a class. It's a family of people who share their photos - sometimes worthy of publication and esteem, sometimes snapshots of our cats and flowers. I would not want to never see again the pets and flowers that we share on the LUG. I think there is plenty of room for both serious work and sharing our family snapshots - as long as they are made with Leica's (only kidding ;-)) I don't want to seriously censor my photos that I share here. This is fun and that is work. Tina On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Unfortunately the show and tell of pix on the LUG is done on a very very > low > level. I find it amazing that so many of us are experts on financial areas > of photography but have never taken a class in photography of any kind > ever. > Never had a portfolio or "tray". I think people who have other hobbies take > them more seriously. Leisure time is 10X more valuable than work time. > But it would seem that photography is for very lazy people who like to > shuffle around an area of their personal total net worth. > > In any photography class I ever took at any level a teacher would lay out a > framework of how criticism was done in class. It was not a mindless pat on > the back thing of people showing each other their kids and their flowers in > their garden or the cute girls in the neighborhood. That gets dealt with > after the first class and never seen again. We need to disenthrall > ourselves. See the big picture. Get with the program. Work it. > > -------------------- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > mark at rabinergroup.com > > > > From: Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:55:29 +0200 (CEST) > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Searching? > > > > > Message du : 27/08/2010 > De : "kyle cassidy " <leicaslacker at gmail.com> > A : > > "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Copie ? : > Sujet : Re: [Leica] > > Searching? > > > > Richard is correct "any good image should be good without > > words". > > The idea it is that it's possible, probably, likely that at some > > point > if your image survives, it will not survive in context -- images will > be > > viewed by people who don't speak the language any writing was > written in, > > images may be removed from context and reproduced, we have > museums filled with > > medieval and ancient paintings depicting things > art historians can only > > speculate about -- they're either good > paintings or they're not. > > > Good for > > whom? > To what intent? > Seen with which century's eyes? > Just think that in the > > middle ages people first focused on the background and then only then > looked > > at the center of an image. and there was no perspective as such. > It is all > > about conventions. > > > I'm not sure we're talking about the same things, share > > the same concepts: in my eyes, IMHO as the Lug will have it put, George's > last > > offerings are real art, surpassing in that most of the photographs I've > seen > > on the LUG over the years. > This is not a defence of George's talents, which > > are certain to me. It is a defense of another artistic form where words > and > > images are intimately intermingled, which requires two sets of skills, > those > > of a photographer, and those of a poet. > > > Not meant to offense anyone > > here. > > > The gear, the document, the pixels and/or the subject are irrelevant > > if there's no soul. > George's posts (and of course other Luggers') do own one, > > or more ;-) > > > Most respectfully. > Philippe > > > > > > > > Your photographs need to be > > good photographs -- Dorthea Lang's > "Migrant Mother" comes to mind -- it > > doesn't need any text to tell > it's story, you can tell by looking at it -- > > eyes, expressions, the > destitute context.... Imagine instead the photo looked > > like this: > http://northshorecollaborativelaw.com/images/two_kids_w_mom.jpg > > and > had the caption "this mother and her children are part of the great > exodus > > caused by the dust bowl, they are seeking work in a migrant > camp, their life > > is very difficult" -- one tells the story by itself, > the other needs to be > > propped up with text to convey the story. > > This isn't to say that images and > > text can't go together, or else > national geographic would have no words -- but > > your photos have to be > able to still tell their story if the words are > > stripped away. > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:10 PM, George Lottermoser wrote: > > > > and twice the chance of being on as well. > > > > > On Aug 27, 2010, at 2:16 AM, > > Mark Rabiner wrote: > > > >> To me a person can be in danger of having a > > delusional ideal of the value > >> of > >> their images. > >> Its also possible they > > can have great images but be delusional about the > >> value of their writing > > that goes along side these images. > >> So that's twice the chance of being > > off. > >> > >> -------------------- > >> Mark William Rabiner > > >>> From: Lottermoser > > George > >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group > >>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:13:27 > > -0500 > >>> To: Leica Users Group > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Searching? > >>> > >>> > > Perhaps I received Kyle's message "wrong." > >>> > >>> I certainly agree with your > > interpretation. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Richard Man > > wrote: > >>> > >>>> I think what you say below is different from what Kyle means. > > If I may: > >>>> any > >>>> good image should be good without words, but some > > images become more > >>>> powerful, and perhaps a DIFFERENT image, when paired > > with the right > >>>> > > words. > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See > > http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users > > Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Tina Manley, ASMP www.tinamanley.com