[Leica] EBay Paypal sting - off topic

[chs2018 at med.cornell.edu (Chris Saganich)]

I hope you left negative feedback with details about the sting.  It 
seems to have been a well orchestrated scam.  But how did the buyer 
manage to hold-up the package in Canada?  Or did the buyer make use 
of the serendipity perhaps knowing sea shipments often are 
delayed?  I waited nearly 4 months for a sea package from China.  I 
had all but given up, then one day there it was.  I agree that paypal 
funds should be transferred ASAP.



At 11:44 AM 9/11/2010, you wrote:
>Howard:
>
>Truly sorry about that.
>
>We tend to do business based on experience and (sometimes) research 
>and maybe advice from friends and associates.
>
>After so many transactions you wouldn't expect to suffer a loss 
>after playing by the rules, over and over.
>
>I will offer that there is a special place in whatever hell they 
>deserve for folk who think they've pulled a fast one on someone else.
>
>Carry on!
>
>Best,
>
>Bob
>
>
>Bob Shaw
>rsphotoimages at comcast.net
>
>
>On Sep 11, 2010, at 8:36 AM, H&ECummer wrote:
>
> > Hi Luggers
> > Since some of you, perhaps many, buy things from and sell things 
> on Ebay and use Paypal. I thought you might benefit from my cautionary 
> tale.
> > Over the last two years I have been liquidating my model train 
> collection and selling the occasional unused lens (some Leica - to 
> slip back on topic).
> > In just under 100 transactions and over $16,000 in sales I have 
> not had a problem until now. In early August I sold an N gauge 
> model train to a buyer in the south of France. He elected to have 
> cheap sea shipment as the engine wasn't very expensive, paid his 
> money to Paypal and I shipped the train, including a Canada Post 
> tracking on August 5. By August 19 the tracking number didn't show 
> any movement from the post office and the buyer put a hold on his 
> funds. On August 24 the tracking picked up again and showed the 
> parcel had left Canada. I asked the buyer to release the hold and 
> he said he would after the goods arrived - not cricket but what can 
> one do? On Sept 6 he advanced the hold to a claim. I gave all the 
> info I had to Paypal, including a scan of the Post Office receipt 
> and on September 9, despite the information about the length of 
> time a sea shipment could take, they reversed the funds in my 
> account and gave him his money back! So, in the next weeks he will receive 
> h
>  is train for free and I have very little recourse because I only 
> get 10 days to dispute the pay back and the only proof I can give 
> is delivery of the package which may not have happened in that 
> time. I have complained loudly to Paypal (IN CAPITALS) and they 
> have answered with anodyne lawyer approved boiler plate.
> > To add insult to injury the buyer has left me negative feedback 
> for non delivery and there goes my 100% positive rating! That hurts 
> more than the money!
> > So, some words to the wise. Don't deal with anyone who uses a 
> hotmail address. Don't deal with anyone with several neutral 
> ratings (funny he didn't have any negatives in nearly 600 
> transactions but several neutrals with complaints) and take out 
> your money for every transaction as soon as it is deposited. Paypal 
> is not the seller's friend.
> > Older (day by day) and wiser (only once in awhile).
> > With regret,
> > Howard
> >
> >
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