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Subject: [Leica] SD card malfunction
From: taniel.dan at gmail.com (Daniel Tan)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:14:06 +1000
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I highly suspect that upwards of 90% of SD card failures are due to physical
damage - slight flexing of the circuit board inside the card causing the
solder joins to break.

On 21 September 2010 09:59, John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com> wrote:

> Sonny,
>
> Another white paper, somewhat old: http://tinyurl.com/2aqmbh6.
>
> What you say is completely true, the cards are cheap enough for one to be
> as conservative as he wants.  It also true that trash do happen.
>
> Best,
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2010 4:40 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, John Nebel<john.nebel at csdco.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Sonny,
>>>
>>> OK, I'll byte.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's fine, and I'll agree the theoretical life is amazing, and I don't
>> doubt that the stuff will hold on to the information.  Probably if you
>> leave
>> the sd card in situ in the camera, and pipe the info out through the usb,
>> it
>> will have near eternal life.
>>
>> But what happens in real life, for me at least, is that I shoot for a day,
>> maybe 50-100 shots, (sometimes only ten shots for a Friday Flower) pull
>> out
>> the card, and stick it into a reader slot.  I take down the pix, and stick
>> the card back into my computer.
>>
>> Remember, for my M8, on an 8 gig card,  I have in excess of 1000 pictures
>> at
>> full rez in raw.  I might delete a few here and there, but I don't quit
>> until I have the card at about 850, maybe 900 shots.
>>
>> Now, there's wear and tear on the contacts, the plastic case of the SD
>> card
>> is not exactly bulletproof, and I'm loading the card into two different
>> computers and a camera.
>>
>> No white paper can convince me that trash don't happen in these real life
>> circumstances.
>>
>> The cards are cheap enough that I retire them after I fill one.  I don't
>> reformat anymore.  I once did, but I got burned twice. Once the card was
>> corrupted, and the other time it fell in half. bad glue.   That was two
>> times too many.
>>
>> Thanks for the papers. They are interesting.  Maybe the engineers need to
>> also be photographers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/rf67m
>>>
>>> I think SD cards should be quite reliable, anecdotal evidence aside.
>>>  Maybe
>>> one should expect an 80 year lifetime?
>>>
>>> I liked http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html - the math
>>> department run amok takes 50+ years to destroy a flash device?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> PS
>>>
>>> I think about this every time I type "wr" in a Cisco switch or router and
>>> write something out to the dreaded FLASH.
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2010 10:52 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Daniel Tan<taniel.dan at gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I was under the impression that in some circles, it's standard practice
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> format your card each time you clear it (ie, download onto your
>>>>> computer).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Well yes.  but when you overwrite the media  too many times, you run
>>>> the
>>>> risk of leaving digital debris.  I personally would not reformat more
>>>> than
>>>> three times.
>>>>
>>>> I'll probably be proven wrong by someone who can cite technical stuff
>>>> and
>>>> have never had a problem because they are speaking  theoretically.
>>>>
>>>> I only speak from experience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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