Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/11/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark, I'm not saying the imaging qualities of the M9 sensor are inferior, as I'm sure they are far better. However, what I am saying is that whoever Leica is using for their firmware on the M8/9 does not have the experience or expertise in the color management/dynamic range area as Imacon's people. Probably why Hasselblad bought them and then cancelled the contract with Leica, among other reasons. After all, for 2 10.3MB sensors, one has image files of 10 MB, and the other has files of 19MB, there has to be allot more going on in the firmware for such a large difference. Yes, I know the M9 is 18MB, so the comparison is for the M8 and DMR here. Cheers, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Monday, November 8, 2010 9:41:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9 Gene this is the first thing other than a rave I remember hearing about the Leica M9. All I hear about it ands see is ground breaking image making. I've run into no negative feed back at all on the sensor till now. Other than a slight lack of high iso use which is normally expected of a full frame camera but it does have a lot of megapixels in there; making for smallish image grabbing sites. Its darned hard to address "contrast" issues when we're in the realm of digital phohotogahy as we can easily just tweak the histogram and we have matched images. I think someone would take these two image from this example and carefully match them so they would be in all respects identical and that would take less then four minutes tops. I'm still assuming an M9 with its full frame sensor can shoot rings around a DMR in most circumstances which would be of course more extenuating. As in maybe iso 400 and maybe not high noon on a roof. I don't think Leica all of a sudden got stupid when it picked out the sensor and its back up mechanisms for the Leica M9. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ mark at rabinergroup.com Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb > From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:49:00 -0600 (CST) > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9 > > Mark, > > The M9 may have a newer and better sensor, also the M8, however, the > firmware > written for them is not up to the standard written for the DMR by Imacon. > As > Doug has said many times it is almost Kodachrome in its color space and > also > dynamic range. The M8/9 firmware is just not up to the same standard, > imho. > > Cheers, > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2010 5:27:32 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9 > > If your picking a cropped file from a 5 year old sensor over results from a > just out current full frame M9 with a 90 Summicron there is something wrong > with the processing of the files. Or your eyes. Or both. > Also something very basically wrong with the universe. > > It's like that Wolfgang Pauli guy says: > "Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!" > Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch! > > > > And in the movie "Rocky" 1976 > Paulie: I want you outta here instamatically. > > > > > > -------------------- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > mark at rabinergroup.com > Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb > > > > >> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:57:55 -0600 (CST) >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9 >> >> Tina, >> >> It kind of re-enforces my preference for R8/9-DMR files over the M8/9 >> files. >> Both are good, but the R9DMR beats the M9 as far as color and dynamic >> range. >> >> Gene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> >> To: "lug" <lug at leica-users.org>, "Leica Reflex" <leicareflex at >> freelists.org> >> Sent: Saturday, November 6, 2010 6:06:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: [Leica] Comparison M9, R9 >> >> LUG and Leica Reflex: >> >> Here are two shots from today. One with the M9 and 90 Summicron: >> >> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103020 >> >> <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103020>and one with the R9, DMR, >> and 80 Summilux: >> >> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103614 >> >> <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/130103614>What do you think? >> >> Tina >> >> -- >> Tina Manley, ASMP >> www.tinamanley.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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