Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/12/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Sorry Peter, but I tend to agree with Tina, despite what you wrote. If it had been a non-profit organization, I might look at it differently. But in the end it is your photo and you do with it what you want. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu http://www.greatpix.eu http://www.nathanfoto.com PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog YNWA On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:11 AM, Tina Manley wrote: > You are right, Peter. I was there telling you not to give your photos away > for nothing. How do you know it had no commercial value? I sell photos > every day that would be considered throwaway home happy snaps. If you give > them away for nothing, you will never know if you could have sold them and > you diminish the value of all photography by giving your creative work > away.. Credit is worth demanding but only if it is accompanied by actual > money!! > > I'll get off my soapbox now, but I hope no one ever gives their photos away > for only a credit :-( > > Tina > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Peter Klein <pklein at threshinc.com> > wrote: > >> Nathan: I understand how you feel. When I got the request, I could almost >> feel the sprit of Tina Manley on my shoulder, whispering disapprovingly in >> my ear (sorry, Tina). :-) >> >> But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that I had more to >> gain by saying yes than no, and I was not taking bread out of any other >> photographer's mouth by saying yes. The site mixes celebrity pet photos >> with stuff people voluntarily send in. And the photo they wanted had no >> real commercial value. It's just a cute throwaway home happy snap. >> <http://www.peoplepets.com/photos/cute/hanukkah-2010-dog-and-cat-photos/10 >>> >> >> So I could get a credit on a site that is associated with a prominent >> publication, or I could stand on principle and do nothing for anyone. My >> saying no would not persuade PeoplePets to pay for stuff, they are awash >> in silly point-and-shoot pet shots that people send in. They would have >> simply used someone else's shot, or had one less photo in the series. >> >> On the other hand, I was once asked to give one of my best photos away to >> the publicity company that handles PR for Seattle's summer fireworks >> display. In that case, I said a firm no. >> < >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563 at >> N04/3691589024/sizes/o/in/set-72157622757851420/ >>> >> >> The arts world is has always been rife with people not getting paid for >> things they do, and with people getting credit for what others have >> actually done. The Internet has only devalued our work further. In this >> case, I felt like getting a credit was worth it. If being able to say that >> People, Inc. published one of my photos helps get another of my photos >> published for pay someday, it will have been well worth it. If not, >> nothing lost. >> >> --Peter >> >>> Peter, >> >>> Cute dog, but I would not have let a commercial site use a photo for >> free. >> >>> Cheers, >>> Nathan >> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >>> YNWA >> >> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:54 AM, Peter Klein wrote: >> >>> My dog Tilly has just appeared in a ?Chanukah Pets? photo series on a >> site >>> of People Magazine?s, called PeoplePets. >>> >> http://www.peoplepets.com/photos/cute/hanukkah-2010-dog-and-cat-photos/10 >>> >>> I?m happy to report that she wasn?t dressed up funny, she was merely >>> exercising one of her Border Terrier core competencies: Mooching food! >>> >>> The editor saw the photo on flickr, contacted me and asked if they could >>> use it. No, they don?t pay. Evidently having a famous pet for fifteen >>> minutes should be sufficient reward. Tilly has no plans to appear on any >>> reality shows in the forseeable future. Informed insiders say that our >>> relationship is rock-solid, so hold the stories on her leaving me for a >>> rock star. >>> >>> --Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > > > -- > Tina Manley, ASMP > www.tinamanley.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >