[Leica] de Young visit

[rgacpa at yahoo.com (Bob Adler)]

My understanding, Mark, is that the Portra 400 and 800 are no longer 
designated 
as NC or VC; they're just Portra. Portra 160 still retains the NC and VC 
designations.
So Kodak is slowly coming around to your way of thinking :-)
 Bob Adler
Palo Alto, CA
http://www.rgaphoto.com




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From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:04:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] de Young visit

Nice shots but on the internet from scans I'm not going to go "nice film" as
the scan presets you use that day has way more to do with it than any
particular film you use. It has the over riding effect.
We get make great scans from some pretty poor negs and upload or print an
amazingly high quality looking image.
I think if we have a good day on the scanner we can get great results from
cheap film but if we're having a bad day next day then we get bad results
from better film.

By the way I always use the most expensive film I can find.
And the film I tend to use is FUJICOLOR PRO 800Z or Kodak Portra 800
Both come with crispy clear cellophane wrappers and cardboard pro pack
boxes.
Both you get in a walk in fridge in a pro camera shot.

You guys want to use our gee wiz German camera bodies with cheap film be my
guest I'd rather do the opposite. But idea is put the best film in the best
camera body. That would be the idea you would think.

I like films with a a pdf which shows you what the edge notches are when you
are feeling the sheet film in the dark.
Films which come in 220. So I can get 24 on a roll of 6x6cm squares.
To match what I  also get with my Leica's.
Films which come in long rolls and sheets and 70mm.

On the Portra I don't think it makes much different NC or VC as to me as
saturation control during scanning is a no brainer. And if not during
scanning than a bit later during tweaking.

And I don't think there is much you can do with 1600 that you can't with
800.

I think the results we get with 800 films no match the results we got from
200 films 20 years ago.... The day before yesterday.
When I think high rez I think 400.
When I think slow film I think 160 and tripod and or studio strobe and ultra
high rez. But why not?

http://www.fujifilm.com/products/professional_films/color_negativefilms/pro_
800z/
Or
http://tinyurl.com/25axvsf

http://www.kodak.com:80/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e4040/e4040.
pdf 
Or
http://tinyurl.com/27k7hhl

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Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
mark at rabinergroup.com
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> From: robert amoranto <pitbmail-lug at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:17:46 -0800 (PST)
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] de Young visit
> 
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> 
> Thanks Bob.  The prints look less grainy than the scans (Costco did a 
> decent
> job of printing and scanning).  I wanted to get as much shutter speed as I
> could with the f4 lens.  So  I may still sell my 35-70 in favor of 
> something
> faster so I can limit my film speed to 800 indoors. 
>  
> Robert
> 
> --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Bob Adler <rgacpa at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Bob Adler <rgacpa at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] de Young visit
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:30 PM
> 
> 
> Hi Robert,
> The images look surprisingly good to me. I like the grain and don't find it
> distracting. The fact that you have done no post processing indicates that 
> the
> scans have enough information to reduce the grain as well as add vibrancy, 
> if
> you wish. As Ansel said, the negative is the score; the print is the
> performance. You could put on a very nice performance with these.
> Best,
> Bob
> Bob Adler
> Palo Alto, CA
> http://www.rgaphoto.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: robert <pitbmail-lug at yahoo.com>
> To: lug at leica-users.org
> Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 9:07:33 PM
> Subject: [Leica] de Young visit
> 
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> 
> Hi Everyone, 
> 
> Out of curiosity I decided to try 1600 iso film, but i'm not sure I like 
> the
> grain and flatness.   They pics have minimal processing done after 
> scanning -
> except for the last photo of the trees.  Any comments would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/robert+a/SF+de+Young/
> Robert
> 
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