Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/12/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]John Nebel offered: > Subject: Re: [Leica] Any chance there is a DMR out there for sale? > Hi Richard, > The thangkas http://thangkas.csd.net are photographed with an ancient >Sinar multi-shot as is the material on http://www.ancientmoney.org >Here is a link to an S2 image - click on any area of the pop-up for bit >peaking: >http://photos.csd.net/chautauqua.html <<< John don't be upset because I sounded like a dragon in heat! :-) Didn't think I was. :-) I love Leica gear as much as the next guy! Actually I probably love them more and have used them more than most, not all, than many on list. Since about 1967 or earlier I have worked 3 R type cameras and a pile of lenses to match those bodies. Along with 3 M bodies of similar model. Sometimes daily for months on end during my documentary assignments. My reaction to handling the S2 is that it is an amazing piece of photographic gear without question. And good on anybody who has the very good fortune to have one, or three and lenses to use. My biggest problem is with "LEICA the company" and yes I know their economic problems during the past years. But what they did was, let down all of us who have stood behind and supported them for many many years and that isn't just the members of the LUG family here! They fiddled and farted about with some kind of "digital attachment" for the R8 and R9. Many bought into it and many have been left hanging out in the dump with a piece of junk! No it isn't a piece of junk really, it has an incredible potential and people on list have shown what the DMR could do many many times. But there were so many horror stories by so many who bought the DMR and just when they required physical support for the craping out bits and pieces! .... LEICA abandoned them! Batteries and heaven knows what all else! So what do they do? They bring out an absolutely smashingly stunning for quality, fantastic digital SLR camera that damn few of their for years followers can afford or couldn't purchase. Yes I know all the stories about.. "What's your problem? Just because you can't afford one, does that mean they shouldn't have made the S2?" No I don't have any problem with their price. However, I do have a major problem with them in that they let those of us who supported and purchased their SLR cameras before all others right from the beginning, were let down and screwed! The S2 without question is a smashing great camera, probably the best Leica ever made in their SLR line. Your example is interesting in quality, quite possibly for the type of photography you do. But for those of us who have generally worked in a form of photojournalism for 60 years the S2 quality is almost overkill! The DMR was and is beautiful for quality. If only everyone could be lucky enough that it would keep on working. It would've been nice if LEICA had come out with a fine working SLR that allowed us to use our R lenses without the misery trailing the DMR. Don't get me totally wrong. The DMR when working properly creates a quality many other manufacturers' lack without question. I suggest you have no fear about posting to the LUG family any time or in the future. By the same token you might, like many of us, :-) have yer tail bitten or supposedly bitten on occasion. :-) Looking forward to your next post. Cheers, Dr. ted. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Man" <richard at imagecraft.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] Any chance there is a DMR out there for sale? S2 > Don't be discouraged. > > What does that Theodore Grant know :-) > > Seriously, Dr. Ted calls it as he sees it, but he is by no mean the final > words, especially not on a single image. > > Keep posting! Don't let hacks like me, or pro like Ted to discourage you!!! > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:34 PM, John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com> > wrote: > >> Gee, thanks for the encouragement! Why I don't post much. >> >> >> On 12/18/10 7:47 PM, tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote: >> >>> John Nebel offered: >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Any chance there is a DMR out there for sale? >>> >>> >>> Hi Richard, >>>> >>>> The thangkas http://thangkas.csd.net are photographed with an ancient >>>> Sinar >>>> multi-shot as is the material on http://www.ancientmoney.org >>>> >>>> Here is a link to an S2 image - click on any area of the pop-up for bit >>>> peaking: >>>> >>>> http://photos.csd.net/chautauqua.html <<<, >>>> >>> >>> Am I wrong in thinking all we are seeing is a bunch of poppy cock >>> nonsense >>> about >>> an incredible piece of photographic equipment none of us can afford to >>> buy? Or? >>> >>> It isn't going to make your photography any better, if you know nothing >>> about >>> light, shooting from the shadow side and the many other things that sort >>> out >>> photographers... good - bad & ugly! >>> >>> I mean the example shown taken with an S2 which is nothing more than a >>> hump in >>> the ground with a lot of grass and bushes? Really does this make you >>> quiver in >>> your shoes with incredible excitement? Or is it just another hump in the >>> ground >>> with a bunch of grass that would look no different than taken with a >>> digilux 2? >>> >>> Oh yeah, the print out would definitely look of a higher caliber no >>> question. >>> Hell for $30 grand or more I'd hope so! >>> >>> But the content? Would the photographic content and magic captured of >>> life >>> make >>> you wet your pants with "Oh my Gawd look at that incredible photograph >>> and >>> quality of image!?" >>> >>> Sorry folks but I've used Leica gear probably longer than many of you >>> alive on >>> list. But instead of continuing to support and make gear for their most >>> ardent >>> followers, LEICA is after space Martians out of reality with money!! >>> >>> I've handled an S2, been completely blown away with the feel, quick fast >>> and >>> faster auto focus, feel in my hands and all the other positives! I still >>> wouldn't buy it unless I had clients worth shooting for to make the >>> produced >>> quality worth the cost. >>> >>> But to purchase as an everyday fun shooting camera as an amateur? Not for >>> one >>> blinking moment! And right there is the biggest problem with Leica.... >>> they have >>> forgotten the thousands of every day good folks to buy a Leica for fun >>> picture >>> taking! And they're eventually going to lose because they forgot us all >>> and >>> everyone! >>> >>> Dr. ted >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > > -- > // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> > // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.com/blog/> > // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> > [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous > replies in your msgs. ] > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information