Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/05/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]620 being 120 "film" but with a very slightly thinner spool. Some 620 cameras could actually use 120 film and visa versa. The format was of course still 6x6 or 6x whatever. While 127 film was 4x... I forgot how many on a roll -------------------- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ mark at rabinergroup.com Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb > From: Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:05:38 -0500 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] 100 year anniversary of 120 film (Care & feeding of > '29 > Original) > > Brownie Hawkeye, French and American Versions used 620. On Wed, May 4, 2011 > at 2:21 PM, Robert Meier <robertmeier at usjet.net> wrote: > RABS BEGINS! > > > > On May 4, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > > I love Brownie film. >> > And that is my understanding of what medium format film is called in >> > Japan. >> So if I was listening to Japanese photographers talk to each other > that >> would be the word I'd be able to pick out. >> What I'd like to know is > is 120 film and 6x6 the first such film made? As >> in >> with the paper > backing and spool configuration. >> >> The irony on the "Brownie" term is that > many people here think of medium >> format film as Hasselblad film. What goes > in a Hasselblad. Which is the >> exact other end of the spectrum as people > think of such cameras as the >> epitome of high end ness. While a brownie > being the epitome of low end >> ness. >> So there is some irony there. Perhaps > intended. >> >> My very first camera as a kid was a Brownie Starlet which used > film on a >> spool with a paper backing but as it turned out was a scaled down > version >> of >> 120 6x6 film. It was 127 film and was 4x4 cm's! >> It took > me awhile to figure out looking back that I started out shooting >> squares. > As I think the shooting of squares has been a very big deal in my >> photo > history much of my best work. And I took to it like a duck to water >> with my > first Rolleiflex in 1975 right out of school. >> I'd like to be shooting some > squares today! >> The Starlet was made both in Rochester and in Paris > France. >> >> I took this picture with it from the top of the Empire State > Building in >> the >> rain when I was nine in 1960, my first roll of film > ever. Roll #1. >> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/New+York+Cityx.jpg.html >> >> But > my first camera in around 1958 when I was 10-12 yrs old: (1960-2) was >> a >> > Brownie Starlet which shot a mini 120 film called 127. >> > http://www.ken.lyndrup.dk/Engelsk/Kodak/Brownie%20Stralet%20Camera%20E.htm >> > http://www.geh.org/fm/brownie/htmlsrc/mE13000055_ful.html#topofimage >> > http://www.vieilalbum.com/BrownieStarletFR.htm >> Manufactured : 1957-62 Lens > : Dakon Shutter : Rotary >> IMAGE SIZE: 1-5/8 x 1-5/8in. >> (4.1275 inches > according to the internet) >> ((.1275 inch = 3.2385 millimeters)) >> ORIGINAL > LIST PRICE: $5.95 >> Film Size : 127 >> Negative Size : 4x4 cm >> >> >> >> > -------------------- >> Mark William Rabiner >> >> >> >> From: Slobodan > Dimitrov <s.dimitrov at charter.net> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group > <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:33:48 -0700 >>> To: > <rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com>, <rollei_list at freelists.org> >>> Cc: Leica Users > Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: [Leica] 100 year anniversary of 120 > film (Care & feeding of '29 >>> Original) >>> >>> I just found out that next > year, 2012, 120 film will be 100 years old. >>> Anyone >>> willing to do a > celebratory project to commemorate the milestone? >>> S.d. >>> >>> Begin > forwarded message: >>> >>> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza > <cmfreaza at yahoo.com.ar> >>>> Date: May 4, 2011 1:53:25 AM PDT >>>> To: > rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding > of '29 Original >>>> Reply-To: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>> >>>> > Kirk: >>>> 120 film was available from 1912 and the Rolleiflex was designed > in >>>> 1928, it >>>> could be made to use 120 film but Heidecke wanted to > keep the camera as >>>> compact and small as posssible and then he chose the > 117 film (B1-6). >>>> The >>>> Rolleiflex was a market successs and hardly the > firsts users got it they >>>> asked the factory about to adapt it to use > longer film; F&H found a way >>>> to >>>> retrofit the camera for 620 film > spools use with 12 frames. >>>> >>>> According the explanation in Claus > Prochnow's Report 1, the 620 spools >>>> larger >>>> flanges made contact with > the upper spool chamber and then it had to be >>>> enlarged accordingly, the > lower spool was housed in a cage and projected >>>> slightly and then the > camera back received two spherical cuts. The >>>> camera >>>> exterior was > kept original without changes. >>>> >>>> The camera could also be adapted for > 120 film at factory, but it >>>> required >>>> major changes with > modifications even for the camera exterior (i.e. a >>>> additional spool knob > and a new wider transport knob with a groove) and >>>> the >>>> changes for > the camera inside were significant too. >>>> While the adaptation for 620 film > looks pretty simple for a technician >>>> wanting to do the task, the > adaptation for 120 film looks more complex >>>> requiring special parts, 120 > spools had slight variants at the time and >>>> the >>>> adaptation needed to > consider these variants. >>>> >>>> It was from January 1932 with the first > Rolleiflex Standard model that >>>> the >>>> Rolleiflex cameras were made to > use 120 film from factory. The 117 film >>>> was >>>> discontinued in 1949, > F&H decision to adopt the 120 film size had >>>> nothing to >>>> do with the > 117 film availability, the Rolleiflex users wanted a longer >>>> > film. >>>> >>>> Carlos >>>> >>>> PS:If you have the 620 spools, it's pretty > easy to respool 120 film, the >>>> only >>>> difference 120-620 is the spool, > film size is the same. >>>> >>>> --- El mi? 4-may-11, Kirk Thompson > <thompsonkirk at hotmail.com> escribi?: >>>> >>>> De: Kirk Thompson > <thompsonkirk at hotmail.com> >>>>> Asunto: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of > '29 Original >>>>> Para: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>>> Fecha: mi?rcoles, 4 > de mayo de 2011, 1:03 >>>>> Thanks, Richard, for having a go at >>>>> it, but > unfortunately those aren't solutions (if there are >>>>> any). >>>>> >>>>> 1. > No way 120, it's too fat. The early Rolleis used 117 >>>>> film. Phillips > explains that in 1929 it was the only >>>>> size that had the frame numbers > printed in the right place >>>>> on the backing paper. 117 was 6 cm wide but > had a thin >>>>> spindle (making a thinner roll), small flanges, and >>>>> > different holes in the ends of the spools. >>>>> >>>>> When 117 was > discontinued, many of the original Rolleis >>>>> were converted to 620 film > (which is still available from >>>>> B&H). 620 has a skinny spindle and small > flanges like >>>>> 117, but it required a modification of the cameras: a >>>>> > different-sized left bump and right key to engage the >>>>> take-up spool. > These are the conversion parts I have some >>>>> small hope of finding, if > anyone knows of an old Rollei >>>>> burial site where such things can be > found. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Years of experience have proved that klutzes like me > do >>>>> not work on their own cameras. So I still want to know if >>>>> > there's a classic camera repairman who retains old parts and >>>>> skills. > (Fleenor and Krikor don't work on these.) >>>>> >>>>> Kirk >>>>> >>>> >>>> > __._,_.___ >>>> Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start > a New >>>> Topic >>>> Messages in this topic (5) >>>> RECENT ACTIVITY: >>>> > Visit Your Group >>>> MARKETPLACE >>>> Find useful articles and helpful tips > on living with Fibromyalgia. Visit >>>> the >>>> Fibromyalgia Zone > today! >>>> >>>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page > you're on - >>>> Get >>>> the Yahoo! Toolbar now. >>>> >>>> Switch to: > Text-Only, Daily Digest ? Unsubscribe ? 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