Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/05/17

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Subject: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10
From: photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Philip Forrest)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 00:37:22 -0400
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But where do you stick film in the S2?

Phil Forrest



On Wed, 18 May 2011 00:25:05 -0400
Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> The Hasselblad and other cube modular cameras can use differed backs.
> That should have shot them right to the front of the pack when the
> digital thing hit but it didn't because the backs cost 40,000
> dollars. It did the opposite.
> The Camera back is 90 present of the cost of the digital package.
> I don't think that makes it all that more flexible.
> So when the S2 because the S2.1 or S2.b you get a new camera and a
> second body if you think you have to have those cutting edge specs.
> It does not make the results you've gotten from your S2 untenable or
> unusable. Nor the results you'd get from it in the future though you
> may find yourself a tad less "competitive".
> 
> I'm behind the S system I think its brilliant and will prove itself
> over time and be one of the many choices Leica has made  in the past
> decade which will make it one of the top camera companies again. Just
> a  few years ago it was being talked about on the LUG and everywhere
> else in the past tense. Now its very much a prime camera company of
> the future and present. Everyone wants to see that they're up to
> next. Eyes on them!
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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> 
> > From: Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:38:47 -0400
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10
> > 
> > Lawrence Zeitlin wrote:
> > 
> >>>> 
> > I do fault Leica for abandoning the upgrading philosophy that served
> > them well in the past. Why should any photographer have to buy an
> > entirely new camera to get an improved sensor or microprocessor?
> > The really expensive parts of the camera, the body, the
> > rangefinder, the viewfinder, and most of the internal mechanisms
> > remain unchanged. <<<
> > 
> > I suspect that for a camera produced in the thousands (vs. many
> > tens of thousands) a full-frame sensor and the supporting
> > electronics are the expensive parts.
> > 
> >>>> 
> > I would have liked Leica to design a modular digital M camera where
> > packages of components could have been easily replaced. Failing
> > that, I would have appreciated a digital back for the M and CL
> > cameras. It worked for the R series.
> > <<<
> > 
> > Unfortunately most of the market didn't see the advantages of this
> > approach in the R series.  Along with improved sensors and
> > processors the market wanted ever-improved AF, storage options,
> > frame rates and other such features.  A few electronic upgrades may
> > be possible without also upgrading data bus, power supply, heat
> > dissipation, & card writers but sooner or later (usually sooner)
> > the camera's technology as originally built hits the wall and the
> > upgraded camera's performance will be throttled by a
> > non-upgradeable component.
> > 
> > During the LTM era upgrades were feasible because labor was
> > relativley inexpensive and the pace of equipment technology change
> > was much slower than we see now.  It makes little economic sense to
> > use expensive labor to upgrade an existing camera that will be
> > limited by its older technology when a replacement camera not
> > limited by older components costs less.
> > 
> > Doug Herr
> > Birdman of Sacramento
> > http://www.wildlightphoto.com
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