[Leica] Plagarism

[j2m46 at hotmail.fr (Jean-Michel Mertz)]

Well, yes, what's being creative? Is it pointing out what we hadn't seen so 
far, putting things in a different perspective and giving us (the reader, 
the viewer, the listener ...) a new insight into the meaning of life, since 
this is what we are all looking for? Is there a difference between 
Giacometti copying African art,  La Fontaine plagiarizing Aesop and Bob 
Dylan using a series of photographies which are not of his own making?  
Actually, I think there are sources - archetypes - which are part of our 
heritage and which are being reinterpreted generation after generation by 
the ones we recognize - though it does take some time - as poets, artists, 
etc. What do you call new and creative when someone wrote thousands of years 
ago that "the thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that 
which is done, is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under 
the sun." Nevertheless I believe Bob Dylan should be open about his sources. 
I think I've read somewhere that the lyrics of his famous "How many times" 
or even of  "The times they are a'changing" are not really his, but I might 
be mistaken ...Jean-Michel    > From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr
> To: lug at leica-users.org
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:05:28 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Plagarism
> 
> Tina,
> 
> I can't see where the problem lies in fact - a photo is a photo  
> alright, and a painting is a painting alright too - the art is  
> different, the crafting is also different - I dk if it makes sense to  
> anyone, but me...
> Even though I bet those of us photogs who've used brushes in their  
> lives might concur.
> 
> Most painters have been using photos or photographic techniques over  
> the years - from the Dutch masters to the super/hyper-realists.
> Hockney also did both.
> Most photogs have been influenced by painters, is that a problem?
> I don't know a good photog who can disclaim this - HCB was so strict  
> on composition, inherited from, guess what ...
> 
> For me it all boils down to: As a viewer, do I like it, or not?  
> whatever the gear.
> 
> In the meantime, Van Gogh has now been killed by teenagers. A sign of  
> the times?
> 
> Bien cordialement de Metz
> Philippe
> 
> 
> Le 19 oct. 11 ? 16:52, Tina Manley a ?crit :
> 
> > LUG:
> >
> > By Bob Dylan, no less:
> >
> > http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/questions-raised-about-dylan-show-at-gagosian/?ref=artsf
> >
> > The other examples I've seen on the internet are exact copies of
> > photographs, including those by Henri Cartier-Bresson.
> >
> > I have had several artists request to use my photos for their  
> > paintings.  I
> > always give permission with the qualification that they must include a
> > notice that the painting is based on a photo copyrighted by Tina  
> > Manley.
> > Looks like Dylan failed to ask permission or even acknowledge that  
> > he uses
> > photographs!
> >
> > Tina
> >
> > -- 
> > Tina Manley, ASMP
> > www.tinamanley.com
> >
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