Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/10/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Frank, I agree with you as far as today is concerned. Just remember, though, there was very negligible bribery and corruption in India till 1969, and it was still a disaster. The major bribery/corruption explosion happened after 1991 when India took a major lurch towards liberalisation and globalisation, which for all its ills has pulled more people over the poverty line than Fabian Socialism ever did. As far as I can see, Scandinavia is the only place which this has worked even half way, and that is because of a small population, as it has in Singapore. Remember the Labour administrations before Blair? Cheers Jayanand Sent from my iPad On 29-Oct-2011, at 11:19 PM, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Jayanand, > the problem in India, as far as I can tell, is endemic and massive bribery > and corruption. Any truly socialist system could never have existed in > those conditions, whatever it was purported to be called. > The taxes are high in Scandinavia, so there are fewer very rich people and > fewer poor. > Seems good to me. > FD > > On 29 Oct, 2011, at 18:36, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: > >> Well we had a 'socialist' system in India from 1947 to 1991 which was an >> utter and total disaster. I doubt any citizen, however poor, would want >> to go down that road again. The US problem, as it is with Western Europe, >> is that they think they have a God given right to pillage the worlds >> resources to maintain 'a fair wage' and other such measures of a standard >> of living, at the cost of 90% of the other inhabitants of the planet, for >> whom that 'fair wage' is a veritable fortune. Well I think the time has >> come where they have to learn to do without that at least a little bit at >> a time. >> >> Again the myth of the Mom and Pop shop is just that - a romantic myth >> that makes people feel fuzzy all over. It is certainly not sensible >> allocation of capital under the economic system that the US follows. >> Creative destruction is very much part of that tenet. You cannot have >> cheap goods and high wages within the same country (not even in >> Scandinavia) without a major, all pervasive subsidy system, which is paid >> for by the taxpayers, either with stratospheric levels of tax, or high >> deficit financing. Do you really want to go down that usually disastorous >> route? >> >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 29-Oct-2011, at 9:53 PM, FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie at btinternet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The only socialist systems I know of are in Scandinavia and work well, I >>> wish we were more like it here. >>> I am not sure a Communist system has ever successfully been put in >>> place. The USSR and China, to quote societies which have claimed to be >>> communist, almost immediately turned into dictatorships where the >>> privileged few were massively better off than the rest, about as far >>> from communist as you can get. >>> Humans are greedy, selfish and ruthless and any egalitarianism is not >>> natural to the species... >>> IMO >>> FD >>> >>> >>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011, 17:08 >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] We Surrender: A sign of the times in Fort Wayne >>>> >>>> It really is, you know, under Capitalist Economics. If you think not, >>>> live under a Socialist or Communist system and pay 10x the price for >>>> any item, which would also be of doubtful quality. Your choice! George, >>>> you want the whole world's resources utilised only to supporting US >>>> lifestyle forever. It won't happen. >>>> Cheers >>>> Jayanand >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 29-Oct-2011, at 8:16 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at >>>>> gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> necessary event in the Capitalist >>>>>> playing fields. >>>>> >>>>> Fascinating - to consider impoverishing local economies "necessary" to >>>>> Capitalism. >>>>> That thought is even sadder than the photograph. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information