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Subject: [Leica] A photo which costs more than a Cindy Sherman! BETTER DIRECTIONS!
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:28:16 +0100
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I believe that you have to ask permission even then. Secondly, I am not sure 
how "editorial" this is. To me, this guy's blog looks like something 
building up to being the authoritative site on iconic photographs, with a 
view towards future monetization.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
http://www.frozenlight.eu
http://www.greatpix.eu
http://www.nathanfoto.com
PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/


YNWA



On Nov 13, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Richard Man wrote:

> I don't want to incur the wrath of Uncle Ted or anyone else, I am just
> genuinely not sure: but isn't this the generaul accepted fair use for
> editorial usage?
> 
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at 
> frozenlight.eu>wrote:
> 
>> No, I had not read the comments, indeed.
>> 
>> Ted, did you report the guy to wordpress.com? You should be able to get
>> the guy shut down.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>> 
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>> 
>> 
>> YNWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2011, at 9:48 AM, piers at hemy.org wrote:
>> 
>>> did you read the comments on the Wordpress page, Herb? The one from Dr
>>> Ted himself, noting that the image appears to have been stolen?
>>> 
>>> I assume Nathan (IP professional, no?) didn't either!
>>> 
>>> Piers
>>> 
>>> On 13/11/2011, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Ted. BTW, Nathan Wajsman sent me this link, which had not
>>>> only the picture but a piece about Trudeau:
>>>> 
>> http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/trudeau-slides-down-a-banister/
>>>> 
>>>> Herb
>>>> 
>>>>>> Ted,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd love to see that picture of the Prime Minister. I looked at
>>>>>> tedgrant.com (first at Portraits and then at Fine Art--had to be
>>>>>> art :-)--and finally everywhere else. What's the secret key?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Herb :-(
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Herb,
>>>>> See site address.... TEDGRANTPHOTO.COM    Then click on Biography
>>>>> and it is there along with a couple other Happy Snaps! :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for looking and apologies due to lack of directions.
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> ted
>>>>> 
>>>>> ===========================
>>>>>>> Ken Carney OFFERED:
>>>>>>>>> Henceforth, I will print only in editions of six.  So much yet to
>>>>>>>>> learn about this business.<<<
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>>> A short Friday evening LUG quick scan of postings and I happened to
>>>>>>> notice this "Fine ART Print photograph.?" :-) And your comment of
>>>>>>> price. :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On my webpage TEDGRANTPHOTO.COM  it is possible to see my photograph
>>>>>>> in question ... I'm the only shooter in the world who took it!
>>>>>>> Canada's Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau sliding down a banister stair
>>>>>>> case railing.  Simple enough photo to say the least. M6, manual
>>>>>>> focus, film and be there sort of moment! :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And only me, simply because I heard people laughing, turned around?
>>>>>>> AND THERE HE WAS.... "CLICK!"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HOWEVER! Only 5 signed 16X20 prints have been sold. each at $1000.00
>>>>>>> That was it!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However recently the photograph has been considered in the world
>>>>>>> shaking capitals of the world or wherever these things are done?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #1
>>>>>>> Considered: "The most ICONIC POLITICAL PHOTOGRAPH IN THE HISTORY OF
>>>>>>> CANADA!" The price will increase immeasurably through the gallery
>>>>>>> handling my prints for sale if requested?.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2# Next evaluation:
>>>>>>> Considered: "The Second most, "ICONIC PHOTOGRAPH IN THE HISTORY OF
>>>>>>> CANADA." I have no problem being second as I'm beat out by a
>>>>>>> photograph taken during WW1 as the Canadian Army forces charged
>>>>>>> "VIMY RIDGE!"  How could one feel bad about being second to a moment
>>>>>>> like that? Imagine the photographer with whatever type camera and
>>>>>>> sheet film in the middle of that most horrendous battle? ... It sure
>>>>>>> as hell wasn't a Leica!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But what has happened is........ "The value of my photograph of the
>>>>>>> Prime Minister has increased immeasurably." Due to the evaluation
>>>>>>> counts. I didn't know anything about it until advised recently!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The sale of prints has it's up's and downs, sometimes beyond our
>>>>>>> wildest imaginations when we look at the photograph! The action of a
>>>>>>> known celebrity or a quiet farm scene somwhere on the planet! ART
>>>>>>> PHOTOGRAPHY? It's judged by the "ART COMMUNITIES OF THE WORLD!"  And
>>>>>>> most of us don't have a clue what they think nor re-act to.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Re-action by another photographer? "Well hell all he's doing is
>>>>>>> sliding down a banister! Get over it! Hell anybody could've shot
>>>>>>> that."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> He's right. ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But think about this in cameras of today?  Manual focus M6 in hand,
>>>>>>> hear laughter? Quickly turn around, see subject, raise camera very
>>>>>>> quickly. FOCUS and he is still moving toward you..... "CLICK! '
>>>>>>> Second frame, focus quickly, click.... (blow that shot!) Third
>>>>>>> try?.... Focus, shoot ... out of focus get the hell out of the way,
>>>>>>> he's nearly on top of me!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's nothing more than... "see-shoot!"  Not a techie thought in a
>>>>>>> multi-milli second! And the Great Spirit on my shoulder and trigger
>>>>>>> finger.... "CLICK!"   :-) Truth is? Heck I just got lucky! :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> Dr. ted
>>>>>>> Back to writing! It's coming along nicely. I may drop a line or two
>>>>>>> next week? ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Leica Users Group.
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Herbert Kanner
>>>>>> kanner at acm.org
>>>>>> 650-326-8204
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> kanner at acm.org
>>>> 650-326-8204
>>>> 
>>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
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