Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Jim, You can set up outlook express to check your Gmail. Leo Wesson www.leowesson.com On Dec 7, 2011, at 13:37, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: > Hi Steve, > > Brian set me up sometime ago to post from either my usual address or my > gmail address. Last evening, I was attempting to change my subscriber > address to my gmail address, which also required me to re-enable my > subscription, which was disabled because of the large number of bounces. > When I submitted this change, which requires Brian's approval, LUG mail > began to appear at my normal address. > > So, I am caught in the midst of a change, which the system won't allow me > to reverse, and Brian is out of touch. However, everything is functioning. > > I know this doesn't answer your question about gmail. Outlook Express is > much more flexible than gmail, so I prefer to stick with it if possible. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at > gmail.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people > auto-unsubscribed > > >> >> On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> It is very difficult for the user to determine where the blocking is >>> being done. Since I know who furnishes spam blocking for my local ISP, >>> I suspect that they are the culprits, but suspecting and knowing are two >>> different things. Even the support people at my local ISP have >>> difficulty with this. I furnished them a printout of the full header on >>> a typical message from the LUG to me, and they worked with support folks >>> further up the line. As of this morning, they had no feedback, but the >>> problem disappeared yesterday afternoon. >>> >>> Now I am trying to find out whether the correction resulted from my >>> emails to Carrierzone, or from the efforts of my ISP. They may never >>> admit there was a problem. >>> >>> All told, a pretty weak case for litigation. >> >> >> not sure is this may provide a solution to this issue, how about >> subscribing with a gmail address ? Does that change anything? >> >> >> Steve >> >> >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people >>> auto-unsubscribed >>> >>> >>>> Boys, this is America! Litigation is always in order! >>>> >>>> Bill Pearce >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Willman >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM >>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >>>> auto-unsubscribed >>>> >>>> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if >>>> litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org >>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Brian Reid >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM >>>> To: lug at leica-users.org >>>> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >>>> auto-unsubscribed >>>> >>>> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a lazy >>>> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes >>>> that he >>>> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately >>>> a few >>>> ISPs believe him. Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors to >>>> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his >>>> spam-finding >>>> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van Riel's >>>> spam >>>> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not >>>> possible) then >>>> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend >>>> on his >>>> free service. >>>> >>>> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can >>>> think >>>> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change their >>>> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no point >>>> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real >>>> villains >>>> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial >>>> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is >>>> therefore not >>>> free. >>>> >>>> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares is >>>> to >>>> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo spam-control >>>> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues. >>>> >>>> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this email, >>>> but >>>> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from a >>>> friend. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information