Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I feel the same about my digital shots coming out better than any film I've ever shot. Or scanned. -- Mark R. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/ > From: Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:55:35 +0100 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window > > Le 14 d?c. 11 ? 18:26, Mark Rabiner a ?crit : > >> The original st 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-D had a good rep among >> photographers >> it was replaced in 2003 by the 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 VR which had a bad >> reputation. It was soft had a huge amount of fall off and the first >> generation VR did not work all that great. > > Agreed that's mine :-( > > On top of this, when you come from Leica or Oly, you'll inevitably > find it distorts so badly that it hurts, and in an unpredictable way... > I had had one such Nikon zoom, 35-70 it was, and I was so happy when > the Angenieux came in. > > Some shots can be sharp though, as unpredictably, and I may probably > get better results on the D700 than any film I have scanned to this day. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/A+Henri-4799.jpg.html > (perspectives and distortion limited thanks to LR, sharpness up one or > two clicks) > > Bien cordialement de Metz > Philippe > >> But the current Nikon 24-120mm f/4 VR GAF-S is second generation VR >> and its >> optical issues of the previous issue have all been addressed. Its a >> well >> thought of lens selling like hotcakes to all the smart people and >> some less >> smart. >> I don't think of as a do all lens I don't think the zoom range is >> all that >> wide and its not that much of a monster lens. >> its simplify extended from 24-85 to fit our current sensibilities >> and does >> what current optics can do. >> Its not the monster 28-300. Which may be an ok lens for what it is. >> >> VR is a huge thing for your shooting when it works right and from >> all anyone >> can tell it works perfectly on this current 24-120mm f/4 VR GAF-S >> lens >> enabling amazing low light shooting. That on top of excrement >> current nikon >> optics to begin with. >> Nikon is an excellent optical company wand when it messes up it does >> not >> mess up for long. >> With this current version of a key lens its got it right. >> -- >> Mark R. >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/ >> >> >>> From: Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:51:07 -0800 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window >>> >>> thanks much Jay >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Steve Barbour >> >> On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:33 >>> PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Steve, >> Yes. The AF-S >>> Nikkor 24-120 f4G ED VR, to give it its catalogue monicker, >> is a soft lens >>> with quite a bit of distortion at both ends. I bought it on >> specs without >>> trying it out, which I normally never do, which was an >> unforced error if ever >>> there was one. It is a lens that gives convenience >> at the cost of optical >>> quality, a bad trade off. IMHO, the older one (AF-S >> 24-85 f3.5-4.5G) is >>> lighter, more compact, less expensive and better >> performing, albeit in a >>> narrower zoom range. Both have AFS, and 'G' type >> lenses, but the older lens >>> does not have VR, which I have not found to be a >> material disadvantage in this >>> zoom range. It is going to stay on my D700 as >> my walk around, standard zoom >>> lens. >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Steve Barbour >>> <steve.barbour at gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Jayanand >>> Govindaraj wrote: >>> >>>> Mark, >>>> I find the old 24-85 f3.5 - 4.5G lens to be >>> superior in every way. Buying >>>> the latest version of the 24-120 (the f4 >>> one) >>> >>> >>> is this the identical VR lens that Mark speaks of? >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>>> was a big mistake - I am >>>> going to advertise and sell it this >>> weekend. >>>> Cheers >>>> Jayanand >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Mark >>> Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I check B&H and find that >>> they sell a "kit" Nikon D700 SLR Digital >>> Camera >>>>> Kit with 24-120mm VR >>> Lens for $3,996.90 (and you'd think you'd have to >>> pay >>>>> Four Grand for >>> such a combo) >>>>> This is a lens I'd kill for. The pix I'd do with one would >>> take no >>>>> prisoners. I'd never sleep. >>>>> The lens itself cost thirteen >>> hundred bucks and uses a 77mm filter. >>>>> Not real Leica like. But will do in >>> the interim. >>>>> >>>>> And faster than a measly 700 millions miles an hour >>> too. >>>>> If that's as fast as I could ever go I'd get a tune up! >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>>> Mark R. >>>>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users >>> Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:05:07 -0500 >>>>>> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez >>> Bergdorf's window >>>>>> >>>>>> Mine too. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark R. >>>>>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group >>> <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:23:20 -0600 (CST) >>>>>>> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High >>> Rez Bergdorf's window >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My D700 was lens free (No lens) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Gene >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: >>>>>>> "philippe.amard" >>> <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> >>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" >>>>>>> >>> <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:32:09 AM GMT >>> -06:00 >>>>>>> US/Canada Central >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's >>> window >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 13 d?c. >>>>>>> 11 ? 01:36, Mark Rabiner a ?crit : >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> That's a perk on the nikon vs. canon >>>>>>> lenses. Their kit glass >>> really >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> great specs. As long as you don't >>>>>>> bang them going >>> through a door out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> whack. They look embarrassing but >>>>>>> they >>> make very good images. Though >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>> not used one in over a >>> year >>>>>>> there is not kit glass for full frame. >>>>>> >>>>>> I bought my D700 >>> with the infamous >>>>>>> -free- 24-10 ; package by Nikon, Mark >>>>>> different >>> markets I guess >>>>>> Philippe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> was shooting this >>> thing on P so it was wide open which was 5.6 at >>>>>>> 20mm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which >>> means everything front to back is sharp as hell. I could not >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> believe it. That's also an advantage to shooting cropped. Its ten >>>>>>> >>> times >>>>>>> >>>>>>> harder for me to get it all with my 24-85 full frame glass >>> which in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> comparison weights a ton. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mark >>> R. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> From: Jim Nichols >>>>>>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: >>> Leica Users Group >>>>>>> <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 >>> 13:52:05 -0600 >>>>>>>> To: Leica >>>>>>> Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's >>>>>>> window >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very >>> nicely captured, Mark. Nice to find a gem among the bargain >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> lenses. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>>>>> ----- >>> Original Message >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Mark Rabiner" >>> <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users >>>>>>> Group" >>> <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:01 PM >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I >>> was going over >>>>>>> window's I'd shot Dec 12 2008 at Bergdorf's that >>>>>>>>> >>> night and >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>> amazed by the detail and high quality so I checked >>> the >>>>>>>>> metadata to >>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> which of my real money Nikon glass >>> I'd shot it with. The 28 1.4 or >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>> 14 2.8. >>>>>>>>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/c4bmnog >>>>>>>>> It turned out the >>>>>>> be the lowly 99 >>> dollar special 18.0-55.0 mm f/ >>>>>>>>> 3.5-5.6 DX >>>>>>>>> non VR >>>>>>> which >>> you get when you click the sort for cheaper at top >>>>>>>>> bottom on >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> the Adorama or B&H sites. Maybe Calumet. >>>>>>>>> So I left it at a much >>> higher >>>>>>> rez than 1200 pixels on the long >>>>>>>>> end so you >>>>>>>>> can >>> really see it when >>>>>>> you click the zoom in button on the LUG >>>>>>>>> >>> gallery. >>>>>>>>> The iso was 400 so >>>>>>> there really was a lot of light in >>> these >>>>>>>>> window. And it >>>>>>>>> makes for >>>>>>> some real quality >>> images. >>>>>>>>> The windows at Bergdorf's which are the best >>>>>>> I've ever >>> seen >>>>>>>>> anywhere have >>>>>>>>> not been as good the past three of >>>>>>> >>> years. 09 and 10 and '11. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Mark R. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users >>> Group. >>>>>>>>> See >>>>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for >>> more >>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users >>> Group. >>>>>>>> See >>>>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> >>> See >>>>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>> >>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>> Leica Users >>>>>>> Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> for more >>>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users >>>>>>> >>> Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users >>> Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica >>> Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users >>> Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users >>> Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information