Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Sorry, I clearly got the wrong impression. Marty On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > I printed mostly for my clients. Hundreds of them. > I very seldom printed for "myself" other then maintaining my own portfolio. > I'm sure for every 100o prints I made at least one was for "myself" > Between 1974 and 2009 I had about 20 print showings. One gallery show was > all 20 x 24 inch prints. One was 5x7's. Most were 16x20 fiber prints. > For a while a while back my prints we being sold for $350 each by a gallery > in Ohio called Photo Central that some Portland friend of mine sold to them > or he had them sell them. > My prints have sold to private collectors. Sometimes not directly from me. > I've sometimes personally printed my events and weddings. > Point of purchase displays. Some were 30 x 40 inch color. > I printed my pictures for three columns I shot and wrote for papers in > Portland those were 4x5's or 5x7's. Meeting deadlines every week. > I've printed in bulk promo prints for musicians actors and dancers who want > a hundred copies of something. Head shots usually. More so when I was first > starting out. > One of my very first fashion jobs for a department store, Meier and Frank > in > Portland I had to print 16x20's of the main shot of the model. The print > dried as I ran down the street with it to meet my deadline 7 blocks from my > photo studio in downtown Portland Oregon. > I printed 3 20x24's for a theater set and hand colored them. > I printed a dozen or so murals for the Oregon bank in Eugene 4 by 5 feet on > roll paper rolling them though my hand and knees in my parents garage. That > was my first job in Portland. I was for McCann Erickson advertizing. They > were trying to get the account for this new shoe company people were ?just > starting to hear about. It was called Nike. > > I do believe this image of the print with all the myriad instructions all > over it numbers and lines was picked out like the Avedon shot has been for > its value as an anomaly. It has little value in the real world. It was a > moment of odd obsessivness by the photographer. Probably laughed about at > the time. > > My black and white printing I did in my darkroom I built myself at my > various studios. But sometimes I'd print at a rental lab in Portland. And > that was where I'd for sure print my color neg or direct form transpancy > prints such as Cibachrome or a Fuji process. > While making those I printed shoulder to shoulder with countless other pros > and their assistants. Over three decades. Thousands of people. > So while many printers may have an isolated view ?of how things get done in > their darkroom namely their own I did not. I was subjected weekly to how a > whole ton of people got their printing done. ?And was given advice while I > printed from the experts at the lab whose job it was to do that. > I came into working their after a decade of printing by myself mainly but I > certainly learned a lot be being in an open environment. > > Never in my three decade experience printing by myself, at school at the > custom lab I worked at in Webster Groves, Mo or at the rental lab in > Portland Oregon did I see anything which came even close as to being as > obsessively ridiculous as that sketch. I don't know what making a sketch > like that is an exercise in other than mental masturbation. A joke. Or to > impress some idiot. > > > -- > Mark R. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/ > > >> From: Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 19:07:30 +1030 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Magnum & the Dying Art of Darkroom Printing >> >> I've seen your prints, Mark, so I know you're a great darkroom >> printer. ?But I'm also pretty sure you mostly or only printed for >> yourself. ?I'd be surprised if even your simplest prints didn't have a >> diagram that looked like this if you actually wrote everything down. >> This diagram isn't the result of OCD or even really that complicated; >> for instance all those concentric circles around James Dean's figure >> just indicate a dodge with an oblong dodge tool, lifted and dropped. >> The closeness of the circles and the numbers are like a topographic >> map, and show the gradient and overall difference from edge to edge of >> the dodge (or burn). >> >> This kind of diagram, of course, is necessary when the photographer >> doesn't print their own work and doesn't have time to see, or is >> separated from, the printer. ?These days, of course, you can do it >> over the web face to face. ?I've printed many, many negs from diagrams >> like this. ?After a while the printer and photographer start to >> develop a visual-graphic synergy and the number of reprints drops >> (from the printer's POV) and the first sets of prints increasingly >> match expectations, and describing what they want gets easier (from >> the photographers' POV). >> >> It's pretty much all academic now, since so few master silver gelatin >> printers still work commercially. >> >> Marty >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >>> I cant figure out if this is an example of a kind of obsesive compulsive >>> psychosis or an attempt at humor. There is also a famous one of a head >>> from >>> Avedon. An image marked up way past any reason or comprehension. >>> I'll tell you what I think it is its drugs in the 80's. >>> But it might be Public relations. Your clients are supposed to think that >>> even though you ?yourself are not making the prints the relation between >>> you >>> and your assistant or printer is so involved that its worth all the >>> ridiculous money they are paying you for the job and or print. >>> >>> In reality when you go through sheets and sheets of paper in the darkroom >>> its a rather organic process of trial and error. And you cant be >>> reminded of >>> it from a mark up or controlled by someone giving you a marked up thing >>> like >>> that. The printer has to sweat it out themselves. Adams called it a >>> performance of a score. But your head is not buried in the score. You >>> have >>> to look up from time to time and cue your orchestra. >>> -- >>> Mark R. >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/ >>> >>> >>>> From: Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:21:14 +0100 >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Magnum & the Dying Art of Darkroom Printing >>>> >>>> Nice document >>>> >>>> OTT: since manipulated comes the latin word for hand, as in handled - >>>> I agree that LR is just on the right track then >>>> >>>> Thanks again >>>> Philippe >>>> >>>> Le 7 mars 12 ? 18:25, Robert Baron a ?crit : >>>> >>>>> If you've never seen a notated print map, look here: >>>>> >>>>> http://theliteratelens.com/2012/02/17/magnum-and-the-dying-art-of-darkroom- >>>>> pr >>>>> inting/ >>>>> >>>>> If that is necessary to achieve an excellent print from a film >>>>> negative, >>>>> why would it be inappropriate to do similar manipulation to achieve an >>>>> excellent image from a digital negative? ?Or to put it another way, >>>>> why >>>>> wouldn't it be a necessary part of your work? >>>>> >>>>> --Bob >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information