Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/14

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Subject: [Leica] B&W Leica? Higher ISO
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:18:44 -0500 (CDT)
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24,000 is 5 stops away from 800.   It's not hard to imagine a use for that.


On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Tina Manley wrote:

> In my many years photographing inside dark adobe houses by firelight, I
> used mostly Tri-X and TMax 400 pushed to 800.  When TMax 3200 came out, I
> carried some of that for the very darkest of the dark:
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/121090460
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/121090465
> 
> I can't imagine needing the super ISOs on some of the newest digital
> cameras - like 24,000.  What is that for?  The black cat in the coal mine?
> But then maybe those other cameras don't have a lens that draws in the
> light, like the Noctilux ;-)   Who needs 24,000 when you have 1.0!!
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> I've been saying this for a while. The world is not getting darker,
>> right? Didn't most of us learn on "slow" films between 100 and 400 ISO?
>> I still see no reason for anything over 3200. I'm not a coal miner
>> shooting photos of black cats while at work nor are most of us on the
>> LUG. I'm sure one person out there could make regular use of it but if
>> digital weren't around we'd still be pushing film up to 3200 and 6400
>> to get our grainy yet great photos we love.
>> 
>> To freeze motion at night? Again, why? Life isn't static, so why should
>> our photography be? I always hate these tack sharp photos that folks
>> show of helicopter blades perfectly frozen and straight as if the
>> aircraft is going to fall from the sky. Some things just look unnatural
>> when frozen above 1/1000 second. But that's my opinion.
>> 
>> I love the fact that I can get a nice clean 800ISO with my M9 as long
>> as I do the work to properly expose the frame. walking around center
>> city Philly at night shooting a 35 Lux at f/2 and 1/30 second is
>> perfect. All i have to do is focus and imagine Dr. Ted yelling at me to
>> shoot, not to fiddle with the camera and all its trappings.
>> 
>> I think this high ISO craze is BS but again, that's my opinion. I also
>> KNOW it is spoiling a lot of photo students out there who don't know
>> how to expose a frame without the camera telling them every single
>> thing during and after (chimping) the shot. I'm waiting for this wave
>> of mediocrity to sweep into the professional world and then the
>> employment opportunities to open up to folks who learned how to do this
>> on K64 with a spotmatic that had a broken light meter.
>> 
>> Ok, mumble, mumble, metaphorical lawn, mumble mumble. I'll get off my
>> soapbox.
>> 
>> Phil Forrest
>> 
>> 
>>>> If I could 2/3 more "speed" by using a B&W sensor I could achieve
>>>> what ISO 306.000 or so?
>>>> 
>>>> Or a clean IS 18,600 or so
>>>> 
>>>> WHY?
>>>> 
>>>> This scene is illuminated by the moonlight reflected from my cat's
>>>> eye? At what point doe it get to be overkill?
>> 
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> 
> 
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> Tina Manley, ASMP
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