Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ah Sonny, but those groups either a) do not intersect, or b) people have huge cognitive dissonance :-) On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote: > > It wasn't you. I just get tired of people making judgements on lenses they > have never used. > > Last year I posted a bunch of pictures that lots of people liked from my 21 > pre asph. Then we got a 50 post thread about how terrible the lens is, > even though the critics liked the pictures. > > I really don't get it. > > > > > > > > > > Marty > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Should I list all my Leica lenses and find out from the eggspurts (who > > > don't own them) just how shitty they are? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at > > > ameritech.net > > >wrote: > > > > > >> The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is > > designed > > >> to be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no? > > >> > > >> Dante > > >> > > >> On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the > > >> > Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open > > >> > on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here: > > >> > http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html. > > The > > >> > 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat > > >> > field. H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here > > >> > prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in > the > > >> > corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V > 28/1.9 > > >> > which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less > > >> > apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners. A nice > > >> > display of the compromises optical design includes. > > >> > > > >> > The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some > > >> > ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the > > >> > floating element, but it's still pretty formidable. On the M8 I > > >> > prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, > even > > >> > if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens. After > > >> > Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up > > >> > and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90 > > >> > ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest. > > >> > > > >> > Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!): > > >> > > > >> > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.html > > >> > Nikkor 28: > > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html > > >> > > > >> > Marty > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at > > >> > mcmaster.co.nz > > > > >> wrote: > > >> >> Where are you coming from Mark? > > >> >> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality?? > > >> >> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than > 24mm x > > >> 36mm??? > > >> >> > > >> >> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is..... > > >> >> > > >> >> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that > a > > >> 28mm lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a > more > > >> used focal length than 28mm is for FF. > > >> >> > > >> >> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making > > >> things up. > > >> >> > > >> >> john > > >> >> ________________________________________ > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its > > >> standards on > > >> >> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH > > ideal > > >> for > > >> >> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now > > being > > >> >> sold new for just over four grand $. > > >> >> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has > > >> stated > > >> >> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film > > M. > > >> >> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than > > >> >> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a > 43.3mm > > >> image > > >> >> crop circle.... > > >> >> The 28 Summicron is a gem and at the top of my list for my next > > Leica > > >> lens. > > >> >> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think > > we're > > >> going > > >> >> to find documented elsewise. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> - - from my iRabs. > > >> >> Mark Rabiner > > >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> > > >> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > >> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200 > > >> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... > > >> >>> > > >> >>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the > > M9..... > > >> >>> > > >> >>> john > > >> >>> > > >> >>> -----Original Message----- > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than > last 2 > > >> years. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > >> >> Leica Users Group. > > >> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Leica Users Group. > > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Leica Users Group. > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonny > > > http://sonc.com/look/ > > > http://sonc-hegr.tumblr.com/ > > > Natchitoches, Louisiana > > > > > > USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Sonny > http://sonc.com/look/ > http://sonc-hegr.tumblr.com/ > Natchitoches, Louisiana > > USA > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>