Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Yes I agree Dante you were not putting forth the idea that the lens was made soft on the edges so it would be used on the M8 not 9. - - from my iRabs. Mark Rabiner http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:43:46 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... > > Yes I agree Dante you were not putting forth the idea that the lens was > made > soft on the edges so it would be used on the M9 either which was my main > point. > I am partial to the 35 Summicron ASPH Elmarit as I own and have used it > extensively wondering as I wonder really how anything could be better. If > spending another grand and getting another stop gives you a better result > than fine I do believe it but would also love to see it. Me I don't go to > fast glass for the ultimate in quality I go to slow glass. From what I know > about basic lens design that's how I think. Adding extra speed is a bundle > of worms. > > What's frustrating to me is the Summarits are really not all that cheap. > When something cost into the thousands to me I don't think cheap. And when > I > start spending that kind of money I don't want something which was made > slightly more palatable for sometimes not wallet but bank account. Its a > major financial decision. And for that I want cutting edge from Leica. Asph > APO if it starts with an A I like it. > > - - from my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > >> From: Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:26:52 -0400 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >> >> Mark, >> >> My only point is that as with the Summarits, some lenses are made to a >> price/size point, and Leica's monster (and monstrously expensive) lenses >> seem >> to be better - even in Leica literature - than the baby lenses. This was >> actually one I shopped when I bought my M8. I should have also made it >> clear >> that I was not adopting the view that it was a bad lens. In fact, by >> Leica's >> numbers, it's quite good. I ultimately decided to stick with my 35/1.4 >> ASPH, >> though. >> >> Dante >> >> On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >>> Yep that's Leica's business model! Designing cheap glass. >>> >>> - - from my iRabs. >>> Mark Rabiner >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>> >>> >>>> From: Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:56:39 -0400 >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Cc: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >>>> >>>> The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is >>>> designed >>>> to >>>> be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no? >>>> >>>> Dante >>>> >>>> On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the >>>>> Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open >>>>> on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here: >>>>> http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html. The >>>>> 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat >>>>> field. H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here >>>>> prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the >>>>> corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9 >>>>> which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less >>>>> apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners. A nice >>>>> display of the compromises optical design includes. >>>>> >>>>> The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some >>>>> ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the >>>>> floating element, but it's still pretty formidable. On the M8 I >>>>> prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even >>>>> if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens. After >>>>> Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up >>>>> and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90 >>>>> ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest. >>>>> >>>>> Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!): >>>>> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.htm>>>> > > l >>>>> Nikkor 28: >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> Marty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Where are you coming from Mark? >>>>>> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality?? >>>>>> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x >>>>>> 36mm??? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is..... >>>>>> >>>>>> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a >>>>>> 28mm >>>>>> lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more >>>>>> used >>>>>> focal length than 28mm is for FF. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making >>>>>> things >>>>>> up. >>>>>> >>>>>> john >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its >>>>>> standards >>>>>> on >>>>>> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH ideal >>>>>> for >>>>>> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now >>>>>> being >>>>>> sold new for just over four grand $. >>>>>> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has >>>>>> stated >>>>>> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film M. >>>>>> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than >>>>>> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm >>>>>> image >>>>>> crop circle.... >>>>>> The 28 Summicron is a gem and at the top of my list for my next Leica >>>>>> lens. >>>>>> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think we're >>>>>> going >>>>>> to find documented elsewise. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>>>> Mark Rabiner >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200 >>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the M9..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> john >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2 >>>>>>> years. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information