Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/23

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Subject: [Leica] Nikon D800E vs. D800
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:09:50 +0530
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George,
How big a print do you need before all this becomes apparent?
Cheers
Jayanand

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:16 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at 
mac.com>wrote:

>
> On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>
> > I agree.  I never use any sharpening with the M8 or M9 photos which is
> > great because no sharpening is allowed for any stock photos.  The buyer
> > wants to do their own sharpening depending on use.  My M9 files look
> great
> > compared to unsharpened files from other cameras.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Phil Forrest
> > <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:05:21 -0400
> >> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Omitting sharpening from your normal workflo in digital is just not an
> >>> option.
> >>
> >> Unless you happen to be using a Leica M8 or M9. Sharpening the files
> >> simply isn't necessary.
> >>
> >> Phil Forrest
> >> --
> >> http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest
>
> It seems to me that some sensors actually achieve recording more fine
> detail.
> This certainly seems the case with the best CCD sensors which don't use AA
> filters.
> It certainly seems the case with the D800E Cmos sensor without AA compared
> to D800.
>
> It also seems to me that achieving the "illusion" of sharpness through
> "sharpening"
> is not the same as achieving more fine detail without "sharpening."
> It does not seem to me that "sharpening" builds and/or replaces "actual
> detail"
> where it did not previously exist.
>
> If we look at photography as an art/craft capable of achieving, to one
> degree or another,
> a a two dimensional document of reality, with all of its "detail,"
> then I'd think we'd have interest in "fine detail" to capture a true sense
> of the real.
>
> We seem willing to pay big bucks for lenses to achieve sharpness, fine
> detail and micro contrast.
> I'd think we'd also be wanting sensors to best serve those lenses in those
> regards.
>
> Digital noise, film grain, lack of micro contrast, lack of fine detail,
> lack of shadow, mid tone or highlight separation,
> all seem to work against achieving that sense of the real
> feeling of feathers, fur, skin, flower petals, et al.
>
> Obviously one can create strong images without having all the detail.
> We've all seen amazing images with moving subjects, large coarse grain,
> etc.
> The moment captured, the beauty of the subject, the composition, etc.
> can all supersede any need or desire for fine detail, dynamic range, and
> such.
> Though when it all comes together - we certainly feel the magic and the
> power.
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Replies: Reply from imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser) ([Leica] Nikon D800E vs. D800)
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Message from photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Phil Forrest) ([Leica] Nikon D800E vs. D800)
Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] Nikon D800E vs. D800)
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