Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Moving is easy when you have a middle class income and a government job that probably helps pay your moving expenses. I doubt you could have moved on Phil's income, or mine. You know how I moved to Santa Fe? When I was a kid an old man in my neighborhood gave me an antique fishing lure (my grandpa and I collected antique fishing lures). Years later, I found out it was a rare one worth a lot of money. Facing homelessness if I didn't move to Santa Fe (I had a friend there I could stay with), I got the old lure out and sold it for $1200. That put gas in my car and paid for my meals and hotel stays on the 3 day drive out there and left me a few hundred in my pocket. Of course, my only possessions were my old junk car, a computer, my cameras, and my clothes. I literally had nothing else to my name. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-437-8990 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 Become a fan on Facebook On 5/12/12 2:11 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: >I am 51 years old. I have 2 citizenships. Spain is the 7th country in >which I have lived, 6th as an adult. >Easy--maybe not. Eminently possible--yes. > >Cheers, >Nathan > >Nathan Wajsman >Alicante, Spain >http://www.frozenlight.eu >http://www.greatpix.eu >http://www.nathanfoto.com >PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > > >YNWA > > > >On May 12, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Phil Forrest wrote: > >> Just picking up and moving is that easy, huh? Not really. Not from this >> point of view. >> >> Phil Forrest >> >> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:25:27 +0530 >> Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> US graduates should emigrate to where the jobs are, as generations of >>> Asians and Latinos did before them! It will also kill the immigration >>> debate in the USA, and transfer it to the Asian countries. As an >>> example, there is a fair shortage of qualified engineers here in >>> India, at salaries that will give you a top 3% lifestyle at Indian >>> costs of living (which is much better than what you can expect in the >>> USA overall), and without the baggage of knowing a foreign language, >>> as English would do. I think North Americans are far too insular... >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Ken Iisaka <ken at iisaka.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The availability of jobs rise and wane due to many circumstances >>>> such as the one listed below. However, I think there had been a >>>> expectation that a college degree guarantees a good job, which has >>>> never been the case. The demands from jobs is higher, and more >>>> specialized. A general arts degree will essentially guarantee that >>>> you will require more specialized education to enter a more >>>> lucrative job market. >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Henning Wulff >>>> <henningw at archiphoto.com >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here in Canada the job market is fragmented. While quite a few >>>>> people, including university grads can't get decent paying jobs >>>>> there are a lot >>>> of >>>>> well paying jobs that go unfilled. I believe the same is true in >>>>> many developed countries, and especially the US. >>>>> >>>>> As an architect I regularly see trades that can't find skilled >>>>> workers. The brick and tile layers that are really good are >>>>> retiring, as most came from Europe in the 50's and 60's. Here >>>>> there was never a decent system >>>> for >>>>> training them, and the jobs were considered 'beneath' people who >>>>> could go to college. That kind of stigma and lack of training is >>>>> coming back to >>>> bite >>>>> us. Lots of other trades are the same. >>>>> >>>>> If you do go to college, consider various engineering jobs. Many >>>>> are desperately lacking in personnel. Many people are still going >>>>> to >>>> University >>>>> in an undefined Arts program, and racking up tuition debts. Good >>>>> luck! >>>> It's >>>>> not the fault only of the kids of course; it's mostly the fault of >>>> general >>>>> society. When you're 20, it's better to be seen as being enrolled >>>>> in a literature program at a good college or university than >>>>> being in a good training program as an elevator installer. But >>>>> take a look at them 10 >>>> years >>>>> down the road, in our present economic trend. >>>>> >>>>> Henning >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-05-11, at 9:55 AM, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Engineering, computer science, and science graduates are highly >>>>>> sought >>>>> after here in the US. And just about anywhere in the world. As >>>>> for Journalism, I know a young lady getting her degree in >>>>> England/Germany who has several solid job offers waiting for her. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gene >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Phil Forrest" <photo.forrest at earthlink.net> >>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:05:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >>>>>> Central Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica Monochrome >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish him the best of luck. >>>>>> MS in Aerospace Eng is certainly a specialized field and >>>>>> probably has a decent amount of opportunity after graduation. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are exceptions everywhere. Here in the US the job market >>>>>> isn't as rosy and the educated are increasingly being forced to >>>>>> work at very low wages. >>>>>> >>>>>> Phil Forrest >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 11 May 2012 06:56:08 +0200 >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not wish to sound smug or uncaring, but I just cannot >>>>>>> share your wholesale pessimism. I know that you have difficult >>>>>>> circumstances and for a variety of reasons that have little to >>>>>>> do with the economy are stuck in a depressed city. But I also >>>>>>> know that my almost-23 year old son will graduate with a >>>>>>> Masters in aerospace engineering next year (2013) and I know >>>>>>> that thanks to his hard work at university, he will have good >>>>>>> grades and will very likely find a well-paying after >>>>>>> graduating. The only thing I do not know is exactly where that >>>>>>> job will be--given his specialty, it could be on either side >>>>>>> of the Atlantic. But it will certainly not be $7 an hour. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And we are no 1-percenters. He attends a public university in >>>>>>> England and will graduate with a (modest) tuition debt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 11, 2012, at 4:01 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have your head in the sand if you think that, Doug. The >>>>>>>> world has changed, and my generation will never be permitted >>>>>>>> the decent lives our parents had, no matter how hard we work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Chris Crawford >>>>>>>> Fine Art Photography >>>>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>>>>>>> 260-437-8990 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>>>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/10/12 9:11 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Phil Forrest wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 May 2012 15:28:26 -0400 >>>>>>>>>> Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This thing is so far outside the realm of even remote >>>>>>>>>>> possibility for me that I frankly don't give a damn. What >>>>>>>>>>> is Leica going to do when all the old people who have >>>>>>>>>>> money because they began working before the $7 an hour >>>>>>>>>>> economy was foisted upon their children have died, leaving >>>>>>>>>>> the impoverished young who simply cannot even consider >>>>>>>>>>> such equipment, no matter how good it is. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've been asking this question for years and no one will >>>>>>>>>> give me an answer that works, instead insisting that Leica >>>>>>>>>> will continue to exist. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The people who were asking this question forty years ago (I >>>>>>>>> was there) now have the means to consider a Leica system. >>>>>>>>> And it may very well be less than forty years but some day >>>>>>>>> in the future many of today's younger adults will also be >>>>>>>>> able to realistically buy into a Leica camera system. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Doug Herr >>>>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento >>>>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Henning Wulff >>>>> henningw at archiphoto.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ken Iisaka >>>> first name at last name dot org or com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> -- >> http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information