Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]John, Mark is the master of pontificating on cameras he has probably not even seen, let alone touched, based on deeply held biases! Mark, If you think Edwin Putts is an independent reviewer, please feel free to use him as you primary resource. Personally, I think he is a Leica fanboy, and will only use him as a secondary or even tertiary resource, when I have scuttlebutt to aid me. But my question still stands - when can we expect reviews from truly independent sources? I am actually looking forward to seeing prints taken with the M Monochrom, rather than jpgs on the net. I did download and also played around Jono Slack's DNG files. They were nice, but I did not see anything extraordinary in them. Cheers Jayanand Sent from my iPad On 14-Jun-2012, at 11:56 AM, "John McMaster" <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> wrote: > Go and read the many threads on www.getdpi.com from people who have > owned/used both the D800(E) and a DMF..... > > john > > -----Original Message----- > > See you're saying that the D800 a 24x36mm format digital camera is in > competition with the Leica S2 which is a 30 x 45mm format medium format > camera. And I'm saying that's just never going to be the case. I've seen > medium format digital results and its as far away from the results from > 24x36 as in the old film days 6x6 film was over 24x36 film. If not more so. > A 35mm camera is not in competition with a medium format camera. > The only thing a 35mm camera over a medium format camera is handling. > Quickness. And in this case of the S2 its not clear that is even there. The > S2 seems to have the exact handling of the best DSLR's. > In the past no medium format film camera could really handle like an SLR or > Leica rangefinder. So if you wanted spontaneity and coverage you'd go to > 35mm. > > 1350 vs. 864 square mm's > S2 vs Nikon. > > If the S system had half assed glass it would still leave behind 24x36. > But it doesn't. Its got pie in the sky Leica glass that nikon cant compete > with. Its just not willing to have a lens cost that much money. > The next camera I get is going to be the D800. > But I'm not thinking I'll be getting the output people shooting an S2 is > going to get. Not even close. Maybe I'll be able to rent one for a weekend. > Maybe I'll do a job even. I think it'll knock the socks of of what I'm > getting now. But hope its not hung next to a print from an S2. > > > > - - from my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > >> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:36:31 +1200 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M Monochrom >> >> I find the M9 is adequate quality and will not spend the money to get >> into MFD as I do not need it. The S2 will have a bit of competition >> with the >> D800(E) in much the same way as the M9 does with the X-Pro1....... >> >> john >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Leica's problem has always been its put its emphasis on pie in the sky >> glass on; but on too small a format for many uses. A photojournalist >> or street shooter would love it but a commercial photographer would >> make more use from a Hasselblad system. As would a portrait >> photographer. As did a wedding photographer. Even somebody doing >> specials for magazines. Real estate beats glass. By a mile. >> Many Leica using photogs from day one also had a Rolleiflex somewhere. >> If not in the bottom of their camera bag. Leica made a medium format >> enlarger to print the negs you shot with it. >> >> But this is 2012 and Leica has finally with the foresight of its new >> leader Dr. Andreas Kaufmann broken out of the 24x36mm bottleneck... >> With its new S2 system. >> Which I believe will soon prove itself to be the most wanted system to >> make quality photographs out today. Outdoing Hasselblad/ Fuji. >> Medium format quality with a DSLR feel and handling and with by far >> the best glass out there today. Its taking no prisoners. >> >>> >>> Indeed, why I rarely used 35mm film ;-) >>> >>> john >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> Bottom line, my cheap Mamiya 645 gives sharper images with its 80mm >>> f1.9 Mamiya lens than I get with the 50 Summicron on 35mm film. >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Crawford >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information