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Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one?
From: pdzwig at summaventures.com (Peter Dzwig)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:48:56 +0100
References: <CC0304D2.1FCA8%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Funnily enough, I recall having seen the alleged contact sheet at an 
exhibition
somewhen, but I remember not having been deeply convinced by its 
authenticity.
That may of course be because I have been brought up on the "legend" of The
Decisive Moment and that shot's place in it.

On the other hand why would anyone fake it?

Peter

On 17/06/2012 08:51, Mark Rabiner wrote:
> I was afraid of that.  I went flipping though the book when I was in
> Portland last month and I never found the page. The show we saw in NY 
> though
> was not that show you are mentioning. It was the Scrapbook show. Early 
> work.
> It could be I dreamt the contact sheet of puddle jumping but I was not 
> aware
> I was that delusional.  Possible though. The place I would have seen it
> would have been in the International Center of Photography five years ago.
> Perhaps someone who was with me from the NYLUG can corroborate it.
> I certainly can not find it in numerous searches on Bing and Google 
> contacts
> sheet mode searches.
> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946
> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007
> http://www.icp.org/museum/exhibitions/henri-cartier-bressons-scrapbook
> 
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> 
> 
>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 -0700
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re:  How about this one?
>>
>> Mark, I checked my copy of "Celebrating the Negative," and the negative
>> shown is just that single frame, cut off, without sprocket holes on on 
>> edge
>> even (Henri "ate them," so he said).
>>
>> No there is no contact sheet of the sequence. Unfortunately, it's not
>> included in the Magnum book "Contact Sheet" either.
>>
>> I went to the "Modern Century" show of HCB's photos a few years ago in
>> SFMOMA and there's no such contact sheet :-(
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the contact sheet in the book  "Celebrating the Negative"  by
>>> John Loengard you can see he is caught in the air jumping over the same
>>> puddle from the same spot at least 27 times.
>>> Some of us NY LUG guys also saw and discused that contact sheet when it 
>>> was
>>> displayed in the early HCB show at the ICP in new York a few years ago:
>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946
>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007
>>>
>>> Derriere la Gare Saint-Lazare  better known as:
>>> The Puddle Jumper
>>>
>>> This photo findable now on the internet is mainly used as an example for
>>> the
>>> other myth. That HCB (or other Magnum shooters) never cropped. This photo
>>> is
>>> cropped by quite a bit. As are a handful of others of his.
>>> They are saying in many examples I find on the internet  that he is
>>> shooting
>>> through a fence which reinforces the whole "decisive moment" myth; 
>>> Waiting
>>> patiently some magic moment to happen from a hole in a fence clicking 
>>> once
>>> and going home.
>>> But the guy jumps from the same place over the same puddle strip after
>>> strip.
>>> And there was no reason for HCB to not act like any other magazine
>>> photographer of the time and perhaps a bit less so, now.. To be heavily
>>> involved with what he was shooting.
>>> Of course its always depended on the exact kind of thing you're shooting.
>>> Baby shoes and so on. Hiring models to kiss in front of crowds of leering
>>> men...
>>>
>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>> Mark Rabiner
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:52:29 -0700
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one?
>>>>
>>>> In the "Impassionated Eye" video, HCB explicitly said the same thing you
>>>> did, so I think the "asking the guy jumping multiple times" is a myth.
>>>>
>>>> and I just love this video
>>>> http://vimeo.com/33376713
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM, B. D. Colen <bd at bdcolenphoto.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Finally, I won't put money on this - but I don't think HCB had the guy
>>> do
>>>>> anything. He was shooting through a hole in a fence, and shot a series
>>> of
>>>>> people as they tried to get across the puddle. The best of the images 
>>>>> he
>>>>> got was of the famous jumper. At least I believe that's correct.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>
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>>
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>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>
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