Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Maybe we could have a LUG event. You let us know when you find a good puddle with jump-off point, and we could come and watch you try various speeds, heights, distances and other body position. After, while you dry your feet, we could all work this thread over in a nice cafe! :-) Henning On 2012-06-18, at 11:42 AM, philippe.amard wrote: > Perhaps the guy in the photo DID want to get his feet wet, and kept trying > to fall off the board - hence the unbelievable repeats and multiple stolen > takes. With French people, you never know ... > Phil the frog, down the ladder now. > > > Le 18 juin 12 ? 20:10, Mark Rabiner a ?crit : > >> Its possible a "trick" to this shot is the fact that he had the camera >> braced in a fence poking through it. Had he just stood there and shot it I >> can see it possibly lacking some of the magic it seems to have now. >> I've been doing that kind of thing often as I do a lot of low light >> shooting >> looking for braces for my camera on the scene. I've been bracing my >> camera >> on all kinds of things. Vertical poles, horizontal barricades and doing >> long >> exposures with not short lenes and getting a different kind of result. >> It's >> hard to put your figure on why it would add a touch of magic to many shots >> but I do think it does. More so than walking into the scene with your >> camera >> on your tripod. >> But being able to stop down on a night shot gives you something as few are >> going to do night shots with anything other than hand held technique. >> Which >> means pretty much they're shooting close to wide open. >> >> - - from my iRabs. >> Mark Rabiner >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >> >> >>> From: Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com> >>> Organization: Summa Ventures Ltd >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:48:56 +0100 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? >>> >>> Funnily enough, I recall having seen the alleged contact sheet at an >>> exhibition >>> somewhen, but I remember not having been deeply convinced by its >>> authenticity. >>> That may of course be because I have been brought up on the "legend" of >>> The >>> Decisive Moment and that shot's place in it. >>> >>> On the other hand why would anyone fake it? >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On 17/06/2012 08:51, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>>> I was afraid of that. I went flipping though the book when I was in >>>> Portland last month and I never found the page. The show we saw in NY >>>> though >>>> was not that show you are mentioning. It was the Scrapbook show. Early >>>> work. >>>> It could be I dreamt the contact sheet of puddle jumping but I was not >>>> aware >>>> I was that delusional. Possible though. The place I would have seen it >>>> would have been in the International Center of Photography five years >>>> ago. >>>> Perhaps someone who was with me from the NYLUG can corroborate it. >>>> I certainly can not find it in numerous searches on Bing and Google >>>> contacts >>>> sheet mode searches. >>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946 >>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007 >>>> http://www.icp.org/museum/exhibitions/henri-cartier-bressons-scrapbook >>>> >>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>> Mark Rabiner >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 -0700 >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? >>>>> >>>>> Mark, I checked my copy of "Celebrating the Negative," and the negative >>>>> shown is just that single frame, cut off, without sprocket holes on on >>>>> edge >>>>> even (Henri "ate them," so he said). >>>>> >>>>> No there is no contact sheet of the sequence. Unfortunately, it's not >>>>> included in the Magnum book "Contact Sheet" either. >>>>> >>>>> I went to the "Modern Century" show of HCB's photos a few years ago in >>>>> SFMOMA and there's no such contact sheet :-( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>> rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In the contact sheet in the book "Celebrating the Negative" by >>>>>> John Loengard you can see he is caught in the air jumping over the >>>>>> same >>>>>> puddle from the same spot at least 27 times. >>>>>> Some of us NY LUG guys also saw and discused that contact sheet when >>>>>> it was >>>>>> displayed in the early HCB show at the ICP in new York a few years >>>>>> ago: >>>>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946 >>>>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> Derriere la Gare Saint-Lazare better known as: >>>>>> The Puddle Jumper >>>>>> >>>>>> This photo findable now on the internet is mainly used as an example >>>>>> for >>>>>> the >>>>>> other myth. That HCB (or other Magnum shooters) never cropped. This >>>>>> photo >>>>>> is >>>>>> cropped by quite a bit. As are a handful of others of his. >>>>>> They are saying in many examples I find on the internet that he is >>>>>> shooting >>>>>> through a fence which reinforces the whole "decisive moment" myth; >>>>>> Waiting >>>>>> patiently some magic moment to happen from a hole in a fence clicking >>>>>> once >>>>>> and going home. >>>>>> But the guy jumps from the same place over the same puddle strip after >>>>>> strip. >>>>>> And there was no reason for HCB to not act like any other magazine >>>>>> photographer of the time and perhaps a bit less so, now.. To be >>>>>> heavily >>>>>> involved with what he was shooting. >>>>>> Of course its always depended on the exact kind of thing you're >>>>>> shooting. >>>>>> Baby shoes and so on. Hiring models to kiss in front of crowds of >>>>>> leering >>>>>> men... >>>>>> >>>>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>>>> Mark Rabiner >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:52:29 -0700 >>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the "Impassionated Eye" video, HCB explicitly said the same thing >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> did, so I think the "asking the guy jumping multiple times" is a >>>>>>> myth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and I just love this video >>>>>>> http://vimeo.com/33376713 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM, B. D. Colen <bd at bdcolenphoto.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> Finally, I won't put money on this - but I don't think HCB had the >>>>>>>> guy >>>>>> do >>>>>>>> anything. He was shooting through a hole in a fence, and shot a >>>>>>>> series >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> people as they tried to get across the puddle. The best of the >>>>>>>> images he >>>>>>>> got was of the famous jumper. At least I believe that's correct. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> =========================================================== >>> Dr Peter Dzwig >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > Henning Wulff henningw at archiphoto.com