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Subject: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
From: john at chiaroscuro.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:01:50 +1200
References: <CAF8hL-G8Br=NToB2f-CYBhpEOxEJFust8+TsB_zByhzACjwnpw@mail.gmail.com> <CC06DDF4.1FF1E%mark@rabinergroup.com>

To me there is nothing like the range of papers out there compared to a few
years back. I preferred Oriental Seagull over Galerie gloss (I liked the
matt), no Agfa warm tone (or cold for that matter) etc etc.

john

-----Original Message-----

I missed the part on how the silver gelatin prints died.

- - from my iRabs.
Mark Rabiner
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/


> Oh, and the gloss is less "annoying." The Z has a gloss optimizer 
> which really helps here, I think.
> 
> Although I have to say, there is something about that pure black in 
> the silver print that has a lot of appeal. Just slightly more 
> appealing in that case...
> 
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Man
> <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
> 
>> Quite a bit sharper (this is from the same file of course), better 
>> noise in the shadow and generally more contrast (macro and micro ?)
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just curious, better how?  More gloss, blacker blacks?
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> Montie
>>> 
>>>>> Overblown sensational title? Surely you jest? :-)
>>> 
>>> Yes, a tad.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I went for the premium option, even with Selenium toning (50% 
>>> more $).
>>> 
>>> It's quite superb, just that Z+ Gloss Baryta is better. I was hoping 
>>> they would be equal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's a Durst Theta 51. Was your image uploaded via Roes for their 
>>>> value RC print?  Not Great.  Try their custom printing on Ilfobrom 
>>>> Galerie Fiber (Baryta based) Semi Gloss...Superb, assuming the file 
>>>> is good in the first place.  300 dpi or better etc. Your subject 
>>>> title may be a tad overblown?
>>>> 
>>>> Montie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> Folks might remember that I tried doing digital negative before. 
>>>>>> In
>>> the
>>>> end, unsuccessfully because my HP Z3100 is just not good for that 
>>>> particular type of task (digital negative for silver contact prints 
>>>> - apparently, it works great for digital negatives with alternative
>>> process).
>>>> Eventually when I have to replace the Z3100, I will probably get an
>>> Epson
>>>> and try the experiment again.
>>>> 
>>>> Meanwhile, since I have to make some 17x22 prints for a couple 
>>>> gallery shows, I got a 8x10 sample print from Digital Silver where 
>>>> you upload
>>> the
>>>> digital file and they print it using some sort of LED laser and 
>>>> then processed in wet chemical.
>>>> 
>>>> I make the same print on the Z. Comparing to the Z3100 printing on 
>>>> Gloss Baryta, it's no comparison, the inkjet print looks better in
every way.
>>>> 
>>>> So Z+Gloss Baryta it is.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>> 




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