Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]It would take a lot to get me to waste one second getting me to shoot Jpegs. Do an search and see I you can find others using the Fuji X Pro-1 who feel they have to shoot jpegs. I can't find them. There will always be people who just don't give a hoot who will find a reason to shoot jpegs. - - from my iRabs. Mark Rabiner http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: "Richard S. Taylor" <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:45:22 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1 > > B.D., John, Howard - I do see the color smearing in the Adobe-processed > files, > but only clearly visible at 200%. No checkerboard anywhere, though, even > at > 300%. > > I do not see color smearing or checkerboard in Silky Pix RAW converted > files. > > Point taken in any case. Guess I'll shoot JPGs for a while myself. > > Thanks. > > Regards, > > Dick > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 6:37 PM, B. D. Colen wrote: > >> IF they are true RAW files, then the camera isn't doing anything to them - >> they are simply the data captured by the sensor - no sharpening, no in >> camera >> "correction." When they are converted to DNG, they are being converted to >> a >> theoretically lossless compressed format, but, again, are unaltered. Then >> the >> fun begins. Apparently the Adobe conversion is doing something wrong, >> because >> the files end up with a weird pattern - a sort of checkerboard pattern, >> with >> little crosses in the checkerboard squares, and dots, that I can see very >> faintly at 66 percent, and painfully clearly at 100 percent. >> Typed with big fingers on tiny keys >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> >> Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org >> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:24:29 >> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1 >> >> Ed - I don't if the X Pro-1 sharpens RAW files in the camera or not. The >> out-of-camera RAW files are 16 bits. They're identified as .RAF files. >> Silky Pix RAW saves 8 bit TIFs and JPGs from these files. The DNG files >> are >> 16 bits. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dick >> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Edward Kowaleski wrote: >> >>> It suggests that the Fuji conversion is doing some sharpening in the >>> processing. Is the processing going on in the camera or in the computer >>> after you take the chip out of the camera? Does the Fuji image produce >>> a 16 >>> Bit Fuji proprietary image (or a TIF) or a PSD file? I'd be curious. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org >>> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf >>> Of >>> Richard Taylor >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:36 AM >>> To: Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1 >>> >>> Ed - I can't make a comparison to the Nikon RAW processor since I've >>> never >>> used it. The Fuji RAW processor--at least on the few images I've tried >>> it >>> with--seems to produce slightly sharper images but they have noticeable >>> splotchy color noise that I do not see using the Adobe RAW converter. >>> The >>> splotchy noise isn't at all bad, but it is noticeable and I'd rather not >>> see >>> it at all. >>> >>> I convert all my RAW files to DNG on import just as you do. >>> >>> The camera will be with me when I go to Maine and by then we should know >>> whether or not it's going to be a useful platform for my neglected Leica >>> lenses. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Dick >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Edward Kowaleski wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to handling it when I see >>>> you in Bar Harbor. >>>> >>>> Do you have an opinion of the quality of images generated from DNG >>>> files that have been converted from proprietary Fuji or Nikon RAW >>>> files? I know you find the conversion a little (or lots) longer but >>>> is there any qualitative difference? >>>> >>>> I have been converting all my Panasonic or Nikon RAW images to DNG as >>>> soon as I take the chip out of the camera. It makes subsequent >>>> processing and storage simpler (to me) and keeps all my RAW files on >>>> one platform which I feel confident that Adobe will maintain similar to >>> their Acrobat PDF files. >>>> I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org >>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Richard Taylor >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:29 AM >>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>> Subject: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1 >>>> >>>> I've had my X Pro-1 for two weeks now and in thought you might be >>>> interested in my impressions of the camera. There are many images on >>>> line testifying to its excellent image quality at low and high ISO so >>>> I'm not going to add more--at least for now. What they show is all >>>> true, though, in my experience. >>>> >>>> If you've been following the discussions about the camera, not all of >>>> this >>>> will be new to you. >>>> >>>> In a nutshell, it is the most M-like digital camera I've yet run across. >>>> The aperture dial is on the lens where it belongs, ditto for the >>>> shutter speed dial and exposure correction dials on the body, and you >>>> can set the Fn button to bring up ISO settings, so everything you're >>>> likely to need in routine shooting is right out in the open. The body >>>> is just a bit smaller than the M9 and weighs about half as much. >>>> >>>> With the Fujinon lenses, focus is just like the Leica, except it's >>>> automatic. Aim the focus rectangle in the OVF at the point you want >>>> in focus, half press the shutter, watch the frame lines jump into >>>> place, reframe if necessary and shoot. Perfect! When you're close in >>>> you've got to use the lower right focus rectangle to correct for >>>> parallax, but otherwise the procedure is the same. Focus speed is >>>> more than fast enough, but nowhere near as fast as my Panasonic GX-1. >>>> >>>> If you place the focus rectangle correctly, the focus will be spot-on. >>>> >>>> OTH, the camera, despite the inclusion of a "Multi-Spot" mode, really >>>> doesn't have one as far as I've can tell. If you put it in >>>> Multi-Spot, it will choose the single most contrasty spot in the frame >>>> to focus on, whether it's your subject's eye or a lightbulb in the far >>>> corner of the frame. I don't see why this method would work under any >>>> circumstances, but maybe one of you can enlighten me. >>>> >>>> The only way you can shoot from the hip is to lock focus on an >>>> appropriate middle distance and stop way down, again just as you would >>>> do >>> with an M. >>>> >>>> I can see the frames lines and data in the OVF with my regular glasses >>>> on. >>>> If I'm wearing polarizing sunglasses and holding the camera >>>> horizontally, >>>> though, I can't either in the OVF or anything at all in the EVF. With >>> the >>>> LCD on the camera back it's the other way around. It's readable with >>>> the camera horizontal, but not vertical. >>>> >>>> Opinions can differ on this of course, but for my purposes LR 4 does a >>>> better job of processing the RAW files than the Fuji RAW converter does. >>>> There is less blotchy chroma noise and sharpness is almost as good. >>>> OTH, converting the RAW files to DNG and importing them into LR seems >>>> to take forever, maybe 3-4 times as long as it takes to import files >>>> from >>> my D300. >>>> >>>> The only thing about the camera that drives me nuts is the power switch. >>>> Whoever designed it needs to go in for some remedial work on detent >>> design. >>>> Even the slightest brush of the hand or the side of a camera bags turns >>> the >>>> camera on. Bad, bad, bad. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information