Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/10/17

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Subject: [Leica] OT: large format lens vs. medium format lens
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 00:17:02 -0700
References: <CAF8hL-HGDbNOmhkrKP5J+t0n=iu+9OO5Kpk6XqF0CC_utTwKZw@mail.gmail.com> <80F9701439F20347874CE5E4E03C22E99BEEFB26@WhizzMAIL01.whizz.org> <037301cdac24$942141a0$bc63c4e0$@verizon.net> <CAF8hL-HP6AFqvg0Mr7Wj8XGObEMPuqqb2v00Xo79zjKNjytYQQ@mail.gmail.com> <038201cdac27$74ff8fe0$5efeafa0$@verizon.net> <CAF8hL-F6QGKrOH_oGTM1uNEJMProUfjbXRLYG1Eiaf2wO8OkBQ@mail.gmail.com> <B5839013-A96B-4FC6-99B9-D263945A5BE0@archiphoto.com>

Henning, as I amended, it's a Fuji SWD and not a Nikkor.

So how do I check if the spacing is correct? This pages talks about lens
mounting a bit, but no method on checking:

http://lensn2shutter.com/lensmounting.html

Again, more (rigorous) tests tomorrow.

Thanks

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at 
archiphoto.com>wrote:

> While the 617 holders have more problems with film flatness, the lens does
> come into play as well. Which Nikkor 90 is it; the f/8 or the f/4.5? The
> f/8 is a little sharper in my experience at f/11. While quite decent, they
> are not quite up to the standard of the newer lenses like the SA-XL line or
> especially the Super-Symmar XL. In practice this is extremely hard to see
> if you are shooting at f/16 and smaller. I have some SA-XL lenses and the
> 47 is actually a little sharper than the T* Biogon in my SWC as is my 35
> Apo-Grandagon at f/8. At f/4.5 the Biogon is sharper overall, and at f/11
> you can't tell the difference. In practice, the SWC usually produces
> sharper pictures because my best roll film back (6x7) doesn't hold film as
> flat as the Hasselblad backs. But the 47 covers 4x5, and the 35 covers 
> 6x12.
>
> Also, make sure the 90 Nikkor is mounted correctly. About half the LF
> lenses I have were mounted with incorrect spacing between the front and
> back cells. All lenses I obtained through Sinar or that were originally
> sold by Sinar or Linhof were mounted correctly; my Nikkors from Nikon in
> Copal shutters (3) were all mounted out of tolerance and had improved
> performance after adjustment.
>
> Henning
>
>
>
> On 2012-10-16, at 10:36 PM, Richard Man wrote:
>
> > The Shenhao 617 holder. There have been talk about 617 holders (not just
> > Shenhao's) do not keep the film flat enough :-(
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> the lens will cover the format.........and it is pretty modern, so it
> >> should
> >> be pretty sharp.
> >>
> >> The image circle of the 90 Nikkor SWD is 238mm.
> >> The 6x17 format has a diagonal of 180mm.
> >>
> >> Back to the questions about film flatness.... and "floppiness" in the
> >> camera...  The SWC is exceptional in this regard.....
> >>
> >> What film "holder" are you using?
> >>
> >> Frank Filippone
> >> Red735i at verizon.net
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org
> >> [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Richard Man
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:08 PM
> >> To: Leica Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: large format lens vs. medium format lens
> >>
> >> Mainly the Nikkor 90mm SWD, but I think the other lens are similar...
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Frank Filippone
> >> <red735i at verizon.net>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Film flatness plays its part....
> >>> Your lens is trying to project an image circle equivalent to a 5x7
> >>> negative area....not an easy task....
> >>>
> >>> What lens are you using?
> >>>
> >>> Frank Filippone
> >>> Red735i at verizon.net
> >>>
> >>> Always been my understanding of it, not the same enlargement so not
> >>> the same lens resolving. Newer LF lenses are much better than most old
> >>> ones though....
> >>>
> >>> john
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>> As Iwas formulating the question, it sounds like the answer IS
> >>> obvious, but just want to confirm.
> >>>
> >>> I am testing the Shenhao 617 and it could be my focusing techniques
> >>> and other issues, but it appears to me that the images are not as
> >>> sharp on the same film as images made by, well, the Hassy SWC.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I am expecting someone to jump in and say of course the SWC is
> >>> razor sharp because it's the legendary Biogon etc., but I am now
> >>> thinking that this generally will be the case, as the large format
> >>> lens are designed to cover large negative (and the smallest 4x5 dwarfs
> >>> the 617) so they do not generally have the resolution and sharpness
> >>> that a good medium format lens has.
> >>>
> >>> Is this correct?
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>>
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Replies: Reply from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] OT: large format lens vs. medium format lens)
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