Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I think you are mistaking your APOs and asphs? Many more of the latter than the former (50/75/90) john > -----Original Message----- > > Thank you for the info and analysis Lluis. > I think you are right. The new Apo generation is certainly an improvement > when used wide open. But is it worth paying double for one more stop? > Not for me. In some cases I take a small or heavy tripod. It's astonishing > what > you can do at night with an M-9 and a tripod. > > Regards > > Cedric > > 2013/3/22 Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>: > > Dear Cedric, > > > > Thank you, your details are very interesting, some years ago (film times) > I've compared at different f stops with the camera in a tripod both: > Summilux > 35 pre asph and Summicron 35 IV, in B&W and in color. IMO the Summilux set > at infinity in low light conditions and wide open manages better the > flare, at > f2 the Summicron is sharper, other differences up to this are in the toning > scale reproduction. I color the rendition of the Summilux was smoother than > the Summicron, this one produces more contrated colors. When I've > purchased my Summicron IV in 1997, the Dealer (Robert White) that the new > ASPH was appeared, the price difference was not the matter to decide, I've > prefered take the "old" one and I have no complaints. > > > > The new Summilux 35 Asph is a superb lens, perfect! very expensive and > bigger than my old Lux, I'm very happy with it! > > > > Cheers > > Lluis > > > > > > > > > > El 22/03/2013, a las 12:51, Cedric Agie escribi?: > > > >> Dear Lluis, > >> > >> Thank you verry much for your interesting informations and personnal > >> remarks. Comments from a photographer who has a good experience in > >> the field is most important to me. Over the years I had several > >> Summilux's 35mm M to test but was not alway satisfied with the > >> results, having a verry good Summicron 35mm M (made about 1972-1973) > >> and a Summaron 35 > >> f:2.8 M. I know these 2 well because I enlarged a lot of pictures in > >> B&W and color myself up to format 30X40 cm with both my Focomat IC > >> and IIC. In my opinion both lenses are equal at the same openings, > >> except > >> f/2 of course. > >> > >> When I made this remark to a good old friend at Leitz Wetzlar at the > >> time he smiled largely and agreed discreetly. > >> > >> So recently I received this Sumilux 35mm M I mentionned. I know this > >> lens perfectly because my friend took most of the 35 mm pictures of > >> ou marriage with it. > >> I personally teached him color photography and chemistry in his > >> personnal darkroom. I never saw any difference with my own Summicron, > >> be it in B&W or color. > >> He showed me several pictures taken with this lens with Kodachrome in > >> low light in an obscure cathedral. Simply razor sharp so to say. I > >> made no mistake in buying this lens. > >> > >> When he bought himself the latest Apo Summilux 35mm M he was so > >> enthousiastic with the results he gave me his own Summilux 35mm M. I > >> will never regret it. First results with my M-9 look excellent both > >> in B&W and color. > >> > >> Thank you again and kind regards, > >> > >> Cedric > >> > >> > >> 2013/3/21 Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>: > >>> Hi Cedric, > >>> > >>> According to the S/N my lens was made in 1983. I like very much this > lens, with film (B&W) it gave me very rich range of grey with very nice > smooth contrast, at f 1.4 is not a very sharp and contrasted lens, but for > me it > does his job, I like too that it is very small. Compared with the > Summicron 35 > (IV) this one is more sharp and contrasted, it is also a lens I like very > much. > With the M8 the Lux 35 perform particularly well, it is the usual lens I > have > always attached. I'm not a technical man in the sense that I don't take > care > about many technical concepts, what I'm interested is how the lens shows > the atmosphere I like in my pictures. If I compare it with the Summilux 50 > (year 1967) the 50 is better wide open or at high apertures, it is more > "crispy". > >>> > >>> Probably every one of us has different motivations to find with a > >>> lens, for my own use I'm very happy with my older lenses > >>> > >>> Thanks for looking ad for your kind comment! > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Lluis > >>> > >>> > >>> El 21/03/2013, a las 11:20, Cedric Agie escribi?: > >>> > >>>> I like your color and B&W pictures Lluis. I noticed you used a pre > >>>> Asph Summi 35 M wide open. > >>>> Could you tell me when it was made (probably according to its serial > n?)? > >>>> I have one myself. It's one of the first that is in pristine > >>>> condition and that gives perfect pictures. > >>>> And since differend series were made in the pre Asph era I'm much > >>>> interested by the results you got and the experience you have with it. > >>>> According to a good Leica relation I heard not all Summis were > >>>> always equal. Older Pros gladly accepted the Summi 35 M but didn't > >>>> really trust the one in 50mm. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> > >>>> Cedric > >>>> > >>>> 013/3/21 Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>: > >>>>> Thank you Jim, I think so but on these cases I wait sometime to > >>>>> decide > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> Lluis > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> El 21/03/2013, a las 00:44, Jim Nichols escribi?: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Lluis, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nice work. I have to pick the color image in this case. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jim Nichols > >>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lluis Ripoll" > >>>>>> <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com> > >>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:43 PM > >>>>>> Subject: [Leica] From today > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> First all my apologies to different messages about Barcelona, we > have at home our grandchildren, this is a really joy, but also it is > difficult have > free time. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Shoot today, initially I was sure about the color version, once > >>>>>>> I've > do the conversion to B&W I like both, for this reason I share both. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Color > >>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/L1030560.jpg. > >>>>>>> html> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> B&W (conversion with Silver Efex Pro 2) > >>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/L1030560BN.jp > >>>>>>> g.html> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Leica M8, Summilux 35 pre asph Wide Open > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Saludos cordiales > >>>>>>> Lluis > >>>>>>>