Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The shaking does great for dust and hairs and the like. I never have a problem on my Pentax Kr or any of the other K digitals I've used. I ran into oily spots on the M8, and the Eclipse product worked fine. So far, with the M9 I've seen no oil issues, and I really haven't had the cleaning problems I did with the M8. On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote: > Someone once told me that the sensor cleaning mechanism just vibrates the > sensor to shake crap off. Didn't sound to me like anything that would work > well, but from what you have experienced, it apparently does. > > Herbert Kanner > kanner at acm.org > 650-326-8204 > > Question authority and the authorities will question you. > > > > > On Mar 23, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > > > Sorry Cedric, but those old stories about Barnack etc., with which we > are all familiar, have no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand. > Olympus came out with its SSWF technology in the E-1 in 2003, and within a > couple of years it became standard on the other major brands--except Leica. > I vaguely recall some engineering excuses for its absence on the M8 and > later M9, but frankly speaking, as a user, I do not care about those > excuses. All I know that with my inferior and much cheaper Pentax and > Panasonic cameras I never have to clean the sensor and never have spots > (and yes, I change lenses on those cameras at least as often as on the > Leica), whereas on the Leica it is a recurring problem. > > > > No excuse. Putting liquids and swabs on sensors is just so pathetically > 20th century. > > > > Nathan > > > > Nathan Wajsman > > Alicante, Spain > > http://www.frozenlight.eu > > http://www.greatpix.eu > > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > > Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > > > > YNWA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Cedric Agie wrote: > > > >> I do have some difficulties to agree with these humorous points of > >> vieuw. Of course photographers by definition must be able to have a > >> large point of vieuw. > >> > >>> From the beginning when Oskar Barnack had started playing with the > >> idea of taking pictures with a cine film, he, and later Leitz, its > >> technicians and engineers always did everything they could to improve, > >> but also to symplify this wonderfull camera. And certainly once > >> Grandfather Ernst Leitz I had decided to start its production. They > >> not only do everything to symplify production, but also in the vieuw > >> of after sales services i.e. repairs and maintenance (CLA etc). This > >> cuts costs during and after production, that's nothing new in the > >> economy. Don't forget Leicas are for a good part handmade, tuned and > >> checked. It went so far that Oscar Barnack asked to have his own > >> office next to the production hall with a large vieuw on it. He never > >> stopped improving and simplyfying a model even during production. > >> Break downs are often taken into consideration when cameras come back > >> to the factory. > >> > >> A simple example; if you can have a look at every possible model of > >> the M-4 since it came to the market. You will never see 2 identical > >> models if you take a very close look at it. Dimensions and look don't > >> change much but for ex the tiny screws that appear on the front of the > >> camera holding it together, not only don't have the same look, but you > >> will also find them at differend places as production was improved. > >> > >> Regarding the CCD and now CMOSIS captor, Leica tried to follow the > >> evolution of this technology verry closely and used it as soon as > >> possible. But they also have to do with it as it comes to market > >> i.e. to make a good camera that suits their potential clients at a > >> certain moment. I too cursed and fumbled at these tiny spots and specs > >> I saw in the beginning with my beloved M-9. In time I took more care > >> and precautions when changing lenses. Those of us if not most of us > >> will certainly remember we often had to fight against dust, dirt, > >> specs and tiny spots etc when we worked in the darkroom. Enlarging > >> color and developping Ektachromes made things even worse. Moving a > >> darkroom to another place had sometimes catastrophic consequences. > >> > >> There must be a way and a solvent that helps to clean the captor, > >> maybe the same way we clean our lenses i.e. carefully. But who knows > >> the formula of the contents of that magic and expensive bottle? Whe > >> certainly will find out sooner or later. I do have an idea. I will let > >> you know if I find out. > >> > >> Regards & have a good W-E. > >> > >> Cedric > >> > >> > >> > >> 2013/3/23 Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net>: > >>> I have heard similar laments from owners of German cars, about > mechanical > >>> issues not sensors. There is something about the Germans that I can't > >>> understand. I have heard it said that German engineering means why use > two > >>> parts when ten will do? > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Wajsman > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:45 AM > >>> To: lug Group > >>> Subject: [Leica] Sensor frustration > >>> > >>> > >>> Why, oh why did Leica choose not to build in a sensor-cleaning system > into > >>> their cameras, pioneered by Olympus many years ago? Because zat is not > ze > >>> vay ve do it here, I suppose. But having spent 20 minutes fighting with > >>> spots on my M8 sensor, and probably having made the problem worse, I > am just > >>> frustrated. Basically, my M8 is useless for any pictures with blue sky > in > >>> them. > >>> > >>> Grumpy. > >>> > >>> Nathan > >>> > >>> Nathan Wajsman > >>> Alicante, Spain > >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >>> http://www.greatpix.eu > >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > >>> > >>> YNWA > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Regards, Sonny http://sonc.com/look/ Natchitoches, Louisiana USA