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Subject: [Leica] To tempt Fuji X users?
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 21:52:26 +0200
References: <CDBBFFD2.99BA%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Well, I ordered one today, not on a whim, but after thinking about it for 
several months. While you pontificate about cameras you do not have, I will 
be posting pictures. No way will I ever pay ?5000 for a digital camera body.

Nathan Wajsman
(sent from somewhere)


Den 17/05/2013 kl. 21.40 skrev Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>:

> The X is certain an item often bought on a whim like many a cropped DSLR
> while the new M is s serious investment.
> 
> 
> On 5/17/13 7:09 AM, "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes Mark, but you have not owned either a M9 or a X1- Pro AFAIK.
>> I bought an X1-Pro in a fit of enthusiasm when I was in the dealers 
>> ordering
>> my new M240. As I went home I was telling myself what a stupid thing to 
>> do,
>> typical impulse purchase, didn't need it etc.
>> In fact I now use it as much as my M9 and am seriously considered 
>> cancelling
>> my M240 order, not least because Leica seem to have abandoned their
>> traditional dealers in favour of their London boutique so I am seriously
>> considering whether I wish to be one of their customers any more.
>> 
>> In terms of photographic results I am impressed and, actually, your
>> calculation below makes the M240 look a stupid purchase since, whilst I 
>> expect
>> it may be a bit better than the Fuji it absolutely certainly won't be 5x
>> better.
>> I'm going to phone the dealer now for a discussion and maybe to cancel my 
>> M240
>> order. Thanks for concentrating my mind.
>> 
>> MTW the car analogy would be, IME, like comparing a BMW (Fuji) with a 
>> Mercedes
>> (Leica) which was 5x the price. IMO a Merc is as much better than a BM as 
>> the
>> Leica is than the Fuji, and I would definitely get the BM if the Merc was 
>> 5x
>> dearer.
>> 
>> FD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 May 2013, 11:14
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] To tempt Fuji X users?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For those who are " thinking about my order for the M240 vs. the X 
>>> series."
>>> Kind of sounds like one is in the middle of really financing a seven 
>>> grand
>>> full frame M but then somehow looking over at the $1400 1.5 crop Fuji in 
>>> the
>>> same breath?
>>> Here's what I came up with:
>>> $7000 - $1400 = $5600.00 savings
>>> And also:
>>> $7000/$1400 = 5.0
>>> 
>>> So if you last minute having saved seven grand for the M  but then get 
>>> the X
>>> instead you have $5600 burning a hole in your back pocket that can buy 
>>> you
>>> exactly four more X's.
>>> That's quite a discrepancy of dreams!
>>> ... Or an extra lens and a trip around the world.
>>> 
>>> Its like "oh boy I get to finally buy that Rolls Royce now but maybe that
>>> Honda Civic will also get me there?"
>>> Or as we say in the US of A:  apples and oranges.
>>> Or lets say you saved up to get a Harley motorcycle but then got a tuna 
>>> fish
>>> sandwich instead? Lots of left over here too for extras:
>>> Tomatoes
>>> Cheese.
>>> Lettuce.
>>> Pickles
>>> Rye bread.
>>> 
>>> I'm afraid I'm just not seeing the overlap between M dreams and X dreams.
>>> To me they just don't belong in the same rapid eye movement cycle.
>>> At very least there's a full tuna on rye separating them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/16/13 9:51 PM, "Don Dory" <don.dory at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
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