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Subject: [Leica] Automatic mode
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:29:27 +0530
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Aram,
Thanks for clarifying - I think most this thread has got a life of its own
mainly because of total confusion on what "A" mode stands for on camera
bodies for the last 15-20 years or so (hint - it is not Automatic) (-:
Cheers
Jayanand


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> 
wrote:

> I think some confusion is cropping in as to what people mean when they say
> "automatic".  I think aperture priority and shutter priority are indeed
> automatic and indeed do what you are saying.  Same as shooting manually and
> setting the controls to what the meter tells you to do.  Except you only
> have to set one control.
>
> This differs from the "Program" mode where the camera chooses both setting
> for you according to some pre-programmed data table built in to the
> computer.  You just sit back and take it.  If you are interested in setting
> a certain f-stop for depth of field reasons, or a certain shutter speed to
> control motion, forget it.  The camera is deciding what to do to get a good
> exposure for most situations, balancing shutter against f-stop, mainly to
> try and keep camera shake to a minimum.
>
> So, Manual, Aperture mode, and Shutter mode are, to me, really the same
> thing with different controls.  As I said, I use Aperture mode most of the
> time, or switch to manual for some difficult exposures if repeatability is
> needed, like panoramas, and never use Shutter mode, as that is less
> important to me.
>
> I don't think I have ever used the Program mode on any camera where I had
> a choice not to.
>
> Aram
>
>
>
> ------------------------------**--------------------
> From: "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:27 PM
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Automatic mode
>
>
>  Surely automatic simply gives the built in lightmeter reading
>> automatically. The only difference between automatic and manual is
>> therefore the time it takes to set the camera, where auto wins hands down.
>> If you almost always use your own exposure choice, rather than the in
>> camera meter's this is not true but otherwise choosing not to use 
>> automatic
>> on a camera with built in meter seems a bit pointless.
>> Programme OTOH...
>> FD
>>
>> On 10 Jun, 2013, at 19:36, lrzeitlin at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>  Some of us ex-newspaper types shoot in automatic mode because it is so
>>> dead easy. We use the camera as an extension of the eyeball not as a
>>> graphic arts paintbrush.
>>>
>>> Years ago, when I bought my first DSLR, an Olympus E-500, I complained
>>> on the LUG that I could barely comprehend the 15 modes of operation the
>>> digital camera featured. With my old Leicas I simply set the aperture,
>>> shutter speed, composed, focused and pressed the button. Most of my
>>> pictures were pretty good and when I fouled up, I knew it was my fault. I
>>> got a nice note from Dr. Ted saying, in essence, "fuggedaboutit," Just 
>>> set
>>> the camera to automatic and take a lot of pictures. All JPGs.
>>>
>>> Yes, Ted. You actually did say that. I've followed your advice over the
>>> years with success, winning more than my share of regional photo 
>>> contests.
>>> It's good advice for anyone who is not a phototechie at heart. 
>>> Photography
>>> is about making images that people want to see, not wringing the last bit
>>> of detail out of the bits and bytes.
>>>
>>> Larry Z (an adventitious photographer)
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at aol.com (lrzeitlin at aol.com) ([Leica] Automatic mode)
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