Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/23
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]To me an image falls apart real quick when the highs are not clear and separating and not blown out. Our eyes go right to the highs first when we first see an image. For shadows to be lacking in any way... Detail or noise we see that much later and by then the image has registered in our brains as successful. Or not. That's how I see it. The high tones always rule. I bet I'm not the only one...!! On 6/23/13 8:30 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote: > ETTR works but only when the contrast range of the scene is less than the > dynamic range of the sensor - according to Thomas Knoll according to Jeff > Schewe in The Digital Negative. He says - "The concept of ETTR works only > when ;you can increase the exposure (catch more photons) without > sacrificing anything else in the image. It's not about overexposing but > about properly exposing a capture to maximize the signal to noise ratio and > improve your image quality." I think I'm going to give a talk on this at > the Leica seminar in Wisconsin in October. > > Tina > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Agree. My default is to have EV set at -1/3. With some platforms you can >> set what pure white is on the in camera histogram. True for the new M240. >> Instead of clipping showing at 255/255/255 you can set it for 250 or 253 >> or >> whatever. >> >> There was a big stink about ETTR (expose to the right) awhile ago started >> by Michael Riechman and Co. I understood the logic and math, but many >> people started exposing their histograms and highlights were blown. I >> remember one fellow who was showing prints with totally blown cloud >> centers. He thought his images were fantastic because he had more >> information to work with because he had really exposed to the right... >> >> So rarely clip is my working mantra: only with bright reflections >> intentionally. Shadows have tons more to recover... >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes and that's why if what I just clicked is something I really want to >> have >>> come out I check the back of the camera to make sure the high tones are >>> fully there. Check the histogram even. If not I set the exposure over >> ride >>> down a bit more and click it again. >>> If I click on something in which I totally don't care then maybe I wont >>> check it as I'm walking away. And have regretted doing that. >>> As why I'm I shooting it if I don't care? Best to trust our instincts >>> I err on the side of under exposure for sure. >>> Have great luck in bring up stuff out of the darks. Not the opposite.. >>> >>> >>> On 6/22/13 11:52 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote: >>> >>>> I am not disagreeing with you, but with colour digital it is unusual to >> have >>>> all three colours blown out so some recovery is possible. A blown >> highlight on >>>> a Monochrom is pure white with no tonal recovery, but I have not found >> it a >>>> huge issue in practice. >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>> Another thought which caught me on his thing is he says the camera is >> not >>>>> tolerant of over exposure. >>>>> I'm wondering what camera was he using which WAS tolerant of over >>>>> exposure? >>>>> As as far as I know all digital cameras are very similar to shooting >> slides. >>>>> You don't over expose them. You place your high tones carefully and >> let the >>>>> dark tones fall where they may. >>>>> A statement like "this camera is not tolerant of over exposure" makes >> me >>>>> thing this is not a guy who has gotten into digital really. >>>>> I read him widely during the film era. I hope he's really making the >>>>> transition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/21/13 10:32 AM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Great review by Mason Resnick! I agree with almost everything he says >>>>>> ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Tina >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Greg Rubenstein <gcr910 at >>>>>> gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> PDN finally got around to it, I guess. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/Camera-Review-Leica- >>>>> 8353.shtml?utm_sour >>>>>>> ce=Silve >>>>> rpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=41858219&utm_term=96312&ut >>>>> m_conten >>>>>>> t= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greg Rubenstein >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/