Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark, In your fantasy land, you never consider the quality one gets for the dollars spent. This is where Fuji kicks butt. Enough said! Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!! > Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one to > mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you > recommended. > I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system > camera > on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped systems. > The fuji is a half assed compromise. > > I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the Fuji is > sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed > Leica > lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is > succeeding on that account. > As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non > interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a > cropped > format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. But > quite puts me off. > The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants > pocket. > I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket. > The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format. > As are some other ones. > > Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop > Leica X2 $1,995 1.5 crop > Nikon Coolpix A $1,097 1.5 crop > Ricoh GR $797 1.5 crop > Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop. > > But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame. > If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice. > > I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money I'd > have > to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar. > The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself. > It was strike two. > And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica company > because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the company > up > to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more serious > users are using rangefinder Leica gear. > And the S Too. > > I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped > fuji > as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't. > I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one. > Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour. > > > > > On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-) >> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently now >> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8. Personally I >> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend more >> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair >> agency >> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different and >> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was that >> the >> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any case >> a >> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years including >> I >> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories >> though. >> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered >> everywhere >> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom or >> an >> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. You >> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-) >> On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and buy a >>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off >>> topic. >>> This is the Fuji only zone. >>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only. >>> >>> >>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is the >>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor what >>>> was >>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed >>> completely >>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be >>> quoted >>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at least at >>> one >>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Geoff >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after Leica >>>>> CLA. >>>>> >>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not >>> replaced >>>>> the shutter. >>>>> >>>>> ric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole camera >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >