Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Why don't you Steve? On 6/26/13 2:34 PM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote: > hey Mark, why don't you hang it up and take some good pictures with what > ever.... > > > > Steve > > > > > On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > >> "Good value" is a key term concerning this whole Leica deal. >> A fact that since its inception there was always a cheaper way to take >> pictures. Always will be. Won't a Pentax Spotmatic still take very nice >> pictures? >> If it did and it cost half a Leica then its clearly to most people a >> better >> value is it not? >> Or a Nikon F used by the vast majority of pro's a while back. Why pay more >> than what the pros are paying? Don't you need to be looking through the >> lens? >> But a few went for the Leica for the numerous reasons which gets >> occasionally discussed here and other Leica lists. >> 1. You get to NOT look through the lens. >> 2. Premium build and glass. >> 3. more compact basic size form. >> 4. a bit more low key on the job >> >> 5. looks nicer. >> 6. feels nicer. >> 8. a better investment of money. >> 9. I forgot. >> 10. _____ insert your own reason here. >> >> As far as Leica goes it should got without saying there is always a >> cheaper >> way out. And that gets called " good value". And that term was used by a >> few >> others in the past couple of days and in reviews of the New Vario X I just >> read...."but is it a good value?" they guy said. >> >> Any of my Leica lenses I got in the 90's and beyond I can sell for twice >> what I laid out for them new. >> Any Nikon lens I got was like driving out of a dealership with a new car. >> A not small irretrievable loss had just occurred. >> >> And every time I reached for my 35mm ASPH f2 Summicron M it didn't ask me >> for another $1495. >> It just made better images than any Nikon lens I had by far. >> 16x20 and 20x24 inch prints made first in my darkroom and then on my Epson >> in odd sizes made for no doubt. >> And still I got to use the lens and it never once asked me for more cash. >> The $1495 was gone. I'd long forgotten what else I may have done with it. >> >> Yes put me on the list please! >> Check it twice. >> >> I have faith that many more of us will be getting new Leica M's this year >> and in the very near future. As plenty other people brand new to all >> things >> Leica will be this year and in the very near future. And many of these >> people will be doing some high profile work. >> Soon you wont be able to get a decent table in a McDonalds without a >> Leica M >> in your side bag. >> >> >> On 6/26/13 2:14 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Mark, I doubt that anyone else on the list is as enthused with the new M >>> (or all of the M stuff I guess) as I am. I just got mine yesterday so I'm >>> barely starting to learn it. >>> Of course they are also still in extremely short supply and they cost a >>> lot. So was the M8 and the M9 initially. Actually mine cost me >>> significantly less than my M9 (which is going to a good home on the >>> list). >>> I was just commenting that the Fuji cameras are very popular and seem >>> like >>> good value, so much so here that no-one can sell you one in my city >>> currently which is a little ironic. Do I need one and would I buy one, >>> no, >>> for the very obvious reason that I'm lucky enough to have a great camera >>> with superb lenses to use. >>> >>> I'll put you on my group email list for stuff on the new camera if you >>> like. There just aren't many owners here as yet, I think. Henning a >>> couple >>> of others as I recall. >>> >>> >>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>> >>> Cheers >>> Geoff >>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>> >>> >>> On 26 June 2013 13:39, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one to >>>> mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you >>>> recommended. >>>> I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system >>>> camera >>>> on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped systems. >>>> The fuji is a half assed compromise. >>>> >>>> I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the Fuji >>>> is >>>> sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed >>>> Leica >>>> lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is >>>> succeeding on that account. >>>> As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non >>>> interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a >>>> cropped >>>> format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. >>>> But >>>> quite puts me off. >>>> The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants >>>> pocket. >>>> I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket. >>>> The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format. >>>> As are some other ones. >>>> >>>> Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop >>>> Leica X2 $1,995 1.5 crop >>>> Nikon Coolpix A $1,097 1.5 crop >>>> Ricoh GR $797 1.5 crop >>>> Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop. >>>> >>>> But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame. >>>> If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice. >>>> >>>> I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money I'd >>>> have >>>> to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar. >>>> The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself. >>>> It was strike two. >>>> And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica >>>> company >>>> because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the >>>> company up >>>> to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more serious >>>> users are using rangefinder Leica gear. >>>> And the S Too. >>>> >>>> I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped >>>> fuji >>>> as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't. >>>> I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one. >>>> Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-) >>>>> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently now >>>>> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8. Personally I >>>>> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend >>>>> more >>>>> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair >>>> agency >>>>> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different >>>>> and >>>>> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was that >>>> the >>>>> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any >>>> case a >>>>> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years >>>> including I >>>>> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories >>>> though. >>>>> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered >>>> everywhere >>>>> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom or >>>> an >>>>> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. >>>>> You >>>>> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-) >>>>> On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and >>>>>> buy a >>>>>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off >>>> topic. >>>>>> This is the Fuji only zone. >>>>>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor what >>>> was >>>>>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed >>>>>> completely >>>>>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be >>>>>> quoted >>>>>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at least >>>>>>> at >>>>>> one >>>>>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after Leica >>>> CLA. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not >>>>>> replaced >>>>>>>> the shutter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ric >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at >>>>>>>> gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole >>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photography >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/