Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/07/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I think people who can afford 3 grand pocket cameras could got for the 500 dollar as a stocking stuffer. Full frame compacts will not all be aimed as such a premium level. The next one which comes out might be aiming to make the camera as cheaply as possible the only premium feature being the size of the sensor. Have It cost just a bit more than the 1.5 crop compacts... The difference, Ken being the price of the sensors. Maybe they'll put a zoom on it and aim at the masses as much as possible. And take the edge off it being a single lens camera. On 7/1/13 4:38 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote: > At least the Leica I had an optical viewfinder. The Sony has it as an > option > for $549. I wonder how many of those they will sell. My 35mm optical > viewfinder was made in Russia. > > The Sony represents a niche market because there are so many other small > digital cameras that can produce excellent photographs. I doubt that the > photographers in the early 20th century had so many other Leica I-like > cameras > from which to choose. Back when Cosina was making rangefinders and lenses > on a > regular basis, I wished that they would come out with a fixed lens > rangefinder > camera with a 35, 40, or 50 mm lens. Why? Because nobody else was making > one. > That was a niche (and I wasn't being a detractor then either). Instead, > they > came out with a fixed lens folding, medium format camera for >$2,000. > Another > vacant niche filled (no detracting from me), but too pricey for me. > > I hope you aren't confusing me with Ken Rockwell. > > Jeffery > > > On Jul 1, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> A compact quality camera capable of making amazing quality despite the >> small >> size of the camera might be called by some people a real niche kind of >> thing. >> >> 1. wants one camera >> 2. uses one lens >> 3. needs a full size sensor >> 4. Premium priced. >> Is there an echo? It does should a little familiar harking back to around >> 1914 when Barnack made his UR-Leica and convinced his boss Ernst Leitz to >> come out with a finely made camera which shot a double sized area on a >> roll >> of 35mm movie film. >> " The small picture format of 24x36mm was achieved at that time by >> doubling >> the 18 x 24 mm cinema format. " >> Which they then came out with right when the war to end all wars was over. >> "1925 The LEICA I with inbuilt lens is launched." >> >> I wonder if its market was then called by its detractors a niche? >> Nischenmarkt? >> I think it was called a Market. >> Soon to be called A Mass Market Massenmarkt >> >> For Leica to tantalize us with the idea in shadow of a compact M and then >> have it be an X (1.5 crop) with a big deal zoom is going to prove to be a >> huge mistake. >> If Leica has forgotten where its coming from is users have not. >> because we'll be seeing the true Leica die hards who are into the whole >> Leica mind set buying Sony Rx1's instead of dumbed down smaller than >> necessary format X's. >> >> >> On 7/1/13 2:02 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure exactly which niche the Sony RX1R fills. I suppose it would >>> be >>> for the person who: >>> wants one camera >>> uses one lens >>> needs a full size sensor >>> doesn't mind an electronic viewfinder >>> has $3,500 to spend on it >>> >>> That full size sensor had better be really, really good given the >>> limitations >>> in flexibility. >>> >>> HCB and Robert Capa fit into half of that niche, and I think that former >>> LUG >>> member GeeBee could live with it. >>> >>> Jeffery >>> >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Paul Roark wrote: >>> >>>> I tested the model with the diffusion filter on it and was >>>> disappointed. See >>>> >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/10593 >> >> >> 3 >>>> and the comparisons to the M9 with 35mm Zeiss Biogon 2.8. I think >>>> it'll take more than removal of the AA filter to make be try again. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> www.PaulRoark.com >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Not much different that an M3 with a Viso... ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Jay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/30/2013 6:51 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Anybody notice how wonky this camera looks with the electronic >>>>>> viewfinder >>>>>> attached? >>>>>> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/lt22hzn >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeffery L. Smith >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jay, >>>>> >>>>> Jay Burleson Gallery <http://jayburleson.com/leica/gallery/index.php/> >>>>> "A photographer is simply someone who is >>>>> looking for something that can't be found. >>>>> The photograph is the record of that attempt." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/