Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/07/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Tina, The jewelry and husband bits caught my attention. Obviously Chris C. does not know you, you who live modestly but so richly. Anyway, let me just take this opportunity to publicly say how much I admire your photographic work, the most meaningful on display here on the LUG. There's work by others which are more entertaining, more clever, more witty, but none that comes close to the honesty and humanity in yours. And dear lady, while you've done well with your photography stock, I think you might have done better with your friendship stock. If the day ever comes that your stock images do not buy your next Leica M, a few friends on the LUG and elsewhere might just step forward to cover the difference, just so that your work continues. I would be terribly disappointed if that would not be the case. Cheers, - Phong On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com > wrote, in part: > Tina, > > This is a load of bullshit. You're letting your emotional attachment to a brand get the best of reason. That is not smart. Leica doesn't give a damn about you; they're a business, not a church. Being so emotionally invested in your gear just gives them justification to continue charging astronomical prices. You're a marketer's wet dream. I have not touched my Leicas since I got my Mamiya 6. The quality difference is incredible. Leica doesn't want or care about your business anyway. You got into the system decades ago, when photographers still made good money on average and Leicas were not much more expensive than Nikons. If you were starting out today, the only way you'd have a Leica is if your husband bought it for you. I've used Olympus OM gear since I was a kid, > and never had issues with soft edges, fringing, or chromatic aberration > with the Zuiko lenses, and they have good Bokeh. Never had those problems > with Pentax lenses either. If quality really mattered to you, you wouldn't > bother with 35mm anyway. A cheap Mamiya 645 will blow away ANYTHING you > shoot with Leica, no matter what Leica lens you use. I've shot both, and > it is NO CONTEST. > > I have not touched my Leicas since I got my Mamiya 6. The quality > difference is incredible. Leica doesn't want or care about your business > anyway. You got into the system decades ago, when photographers still made > good money on average and Leicas were not much more expensive than Nikons. > If you were starting out today, the only way you'd have a Leica is if your > husband bought it for you. > > That's not a slam on your abilities, its the reality of what working > photographers in Journalism earn now. I became a teacher because I got > damned tired of being f--king poor. Teaching is one of the very few middle > class jobs left here, and I still cannot afford a digital Leica on my pay. > My starting pay in the Ft. Wayne school system is more than the > photographers at our local papers earn, and all of them have been there > for over 20 years! You think any of these working photographers shoot with > Leica jewelry? Hell no. They shoot Nikon. > > You're letting your emotional attachment to a brand get the best of > reason. That is not smart. Leica doesn't give a damn about you; they're a > business, not a church. Being so emotionally invested in your gear just > gives them justification to continue charging astronomical prices. You're > a marketer's wet dream. > > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-437-8990 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > > On 7/1/13 7:58 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote: > > >To me the camera matters. I've used other cameras. For stock or large > >enlargements, you examine the files at 100%. There is no contest. I hate > >chromatic aberrations, fringing, soft edges, awful bokeh - all of which > >you > >get with other lenses and other cameras. With Leica cameras and Leica > >lenses, I don't worry about 100% examinations. They are always good! > > Sometimes great. If I'm going to spend my time and energy and money for > >travel to take photos, I'm not going to take a chance on an inferior > >camera > >or lens. > > > >Tina > > > > > >On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> > >wrote: > > > >> Peter, > >> > >> I post pictures from my M9, my Olympus EP-1, my Pentax Kr, and my > >>iPhone 5. > >> > >> The most pleasurable to use is the M9, but I do sometimes need AF, and > >>thus > >> the other three get some amount of use. > >> > >> The quality of the "three" is not there, but I've learned to use them > >> appropriately, and with my editing eye, I can produce web postings that > >> satisfy, but the high detail of the Leica files enable me to do things > >>with > >> flowers that just are not possible with the others. So, to me, the > >>camera > >> matters. (I could wish for live view and a tilting Electronic > >>viewfinder > >> though.) ;-) > >> > >> hmmm, (Sony?) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > All, > >> > > >> > At the end of the day, whether we are using Leica, Fuji or something > >> else I > >> > don't doubt that Uncle Doctor Ted would impatiently remind us that > >>it's > >> us > >> > not > >> > the cameras that take the photos, and that if we are any good anyway > >>then > >> > the > >> > camera shouldn't matter a huge deal. > >> > > >> > Peter > >> > > >> > > >> > On 26/06/2013 23:25, John McMaster wrote: > >> > > I really wonder if I would have bought into Leica if I was buying > >> > now..... I had not shot with nor knew anybody who owned one (I have > >>owned > >> > Canon, Nikon, Contax, Olympus, Hasselblad, LF etc and shot with a lot > >> more, > >> > all prime lenses etc) and thought the name was all image ;-) > >> > > > >> > > I was coming from an APS-C Nikon and was looking at Canon 5D II or > >>M9, > >> > at that time size (I knew I would not carry a DSLR) so went M9. If the > >> Fuji > >> > series was on the market at the time would I have bought that? > >> > > > >> > >>From http://zackarias.com/blog/ > >> > > > >> > > "You see, for decades Leica was the shit for the traveling > >>journalist, > >> > street shooters, documentary photographers, etc. They are fantastic > >> cameras > >> > with an undeniable heritage. But here?s the deal. The folks who put > >>Leica > >> > on the map can?t afford them any longer. They are a boutique camera > >> > company. The working stiff can?t shell out close to $10,000 for a body > >> and > >> > a lens. Go price out 2 M?s, a 20mm ish lens, a 35mm, and a 75mm. Go > >>price > >> > that out. Then price out an x100s, an X-Pro1, and the Fuji 14mm, 35mm, > >> and > >> > 60mm lens. You still haven?t spent the price of a single Leica body > >>yet. > >> > Let alone two of them. And glass." > >> > > > >> > > With hindsight I would still go Leica, nothing to touch the lenses > >>for > >> > different looks and I prefer the simpler operation, but if I had not > >>used > >> > them what would make me spend 'rather a lot' more on Leica than Fuji? > >> Does > >> > 'full frame' or the build quality make enough of a difference for the > >> price > >> > jump to most people? > >> > > > >> > > john > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Leica Users Group. > >> > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >> > > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > =========================================================== > >> > Dr Peter Dzwig > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Leica Users Group. > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards, > >> > >> Sonny > >> http://sonc.com/look/ > >> Natchitoches, Louisiana > >> > >> USA > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Tina Manley > >http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Leica Users Group. > >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >