Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/11/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I enjoy looking at my Pelican case with my Leica stuff as the years turn into decades but some would say the whole deal is not such a waste. The glass I got around mostly in the 90's and early 2000's are now going for way more. They are like a Stradivarius violin! I'm not going to loose much money in the selling if it comes to that and may make a few bucks. Go to IHOP. Get a tall stack with the blueberry syrup. I think an IHOP would be a good place to exchange a Leica lens over the table before things get sticky (I have two 90's maybe I can live with one!?) for cold hard cash. Which I'd also like in a mini Pelican case. (woof!) to keep it fresh. And I'd like Roma tomatoes with it. Packed separately. Tupperware would be fine. My favorite Tupperware is Rubbermaid. My favorite anything is Rubbermaid. On 11/8/13 3:38 PM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: > Mark I hope that happens for you. M glass sitting around not being used is > such a waste!! Scott > On Nov 8, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Mark Rabiner > <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > It turned out that layer of Microlenses > was par for the course in sensor > design for many and most cameras way before > even the M8.. The one's for the > Leica Ms were perhaps angled a bit more > inward than the others but the > technology was there in the past and > present. > It strikes me that other than the non micro 4/3's spec most present > camera > systems have a wide in their systems that have a rear element which > comes a > bit closer to the plane of focus. So its likely the edges of their > micro > lens sensor layer have their angle turned in a bit. That's why the > whole > layer is there. > I think there is hope for users such as myself > looking for a simple not > super high end flat box (mirrorless) full frame > camera for their/ my M > glass. > The idea being the bodies would not cost > seven grand. > For sure the ideal M glass enabling solution would be a new M. > but I think a > full frame mirrorless could get me out shooting with my M > glass again with > results better not worse than what I'd been getting with my > Nikon system. > And with a shooting solution which could take over my workflo. > In other > words the camera I grab on the way out the door every day. > > >> > On 11/7/13 10:14 AM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Bob > Adler has stated that the dynamic range of the M far exceeds ( 2 stops?) >> > the M9, and closely approaches his Phase 1 MF back. >> >> But back to the > main discussion..... If the camera is applying corrections >> to the image, > rather than a computer, aren't the same issues at play? To >> theory, yes. > In practice, the microlenses take away part of the problem.... >> As Adler's > shot of the Caf? shows, even at 21mm, there is some vignetting >> left, even > on a M body. >> >> The sensor in the M9 ( and M8 and M) all have (M lens) > tuned microlenses to >> help with the vignetting...... You will not get these > in a non-Leica camera >> body. >> Of course, the amount of need of vignetting > correction is dependent on your >> lenses... if you shoot a lot of 21mm, then > it is handy that the microlenses >> are there. If you shoot at a minimum of > 35mm, not so important..... and at >> 50mm and longer, not important. >> >> > Personally, I do not find the vignetting issue a game killer. You can >> > correct it. You can live with it, and for 150 years, it was not only >> > uncorrectable, but desirable as part of the physical picture "frame". And >> > again, it depends on your scene..... sometimes having the corners a bit >> > darker is a real annoyance..... sometimes it makes not an iota of > difference >> and adds to the ambience of the scene. >> >> The A7r is the > camera Leica should be concerned with.... You may not call it >> a RF camera, > but it represents the best of the RF camera genre..... Small, >> full > featured, high resolution sensor (36MP), stealthy (? Not so sure yet, >> but > the M9 is no Rollei TLR either in the noisy department), has real >> > advantages in focus when in darkened lighting, reliable from the standpoint >> > of small number of mechanical parts to go out of calibration, and best of>> > all, it looks through the lens, and can use Leica (M or R) glass. If the>> > focus peaking is good (jury is still out), it is a killer solution to the M >> > and many DSLR cameras. >> >> Leica, if you are listening: The M Type 240 is > going to have its lunch >> eaten because of this camera and others that will > follow it. >> >> Go make an EVF only M camera. The competition is changing > the market...... >> >> Frank Filippone >> Red735i at verizon.net >> >> >> If > you needed to increase the exposure in the main part of the field by say >> > two stops for every exposure and apply a colour correction you would >> > appreciate that the correction comes at a cost of dynamic range, tonal > depth >> and noise performance for example. It's happening in the corners for > every >> frame with wides on the M9. Does it matter in practice??? yeah no > maybe >> depends ;-) >> >> In the case of the M9, I can comment that the > amount of correction with >> wider lenses is quite significant to achieve the > desired result at all. I >> was a firmware tester for the system. >> >> The M > is another discussion. I just recovered a few poor exposures that were >> two > stops or more under (albeit minimum ISO) with excellent >> > results...remarkable. >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/153233601 >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica > Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See > http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information _______________________________________________ Leica Users > Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/