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Subject: [Leica] OT - Sony Alpha 7R
From: red735i at verizon.net (Frank Filippone)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:59:07 -0800
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I am a bit shocked.. While I understand the marketing angle ( cheaper lenses
because the designers did not have to worry about focus shift), the reality
is that focusing at shooting aperture is just not as discriminating as wide
open focusing.  Maybe the focus shift issues are more dominant than I had
imagined.....

First time ( in all the A7r reviews I have read) that I have heard of
this....  

Is this also true with the A7 (plain old 24MP camera)?


Frank Filippone
Red735i at verizon.net

The Sony a7r focuses at approximately the the f-stop it is set at; it opens
what looks like maybe a half stop more than the shooting aperture.  You can
look at the front of the camera and see the iris opening just a bit when
it's focusing.  It does not open all the way to wide open (f/2.8 for the
35mm FE) for easier focusing and brighter viewing.

So, the a7r is unlike any modern SLR I am aware of.  The typical SLR stays
wide open for viewing and focusing, and then stops down for the shot.  With
an electronic viewfinder, the viewfinder is just as bright no matter how
closed down the iris is, as long as the exposure (iris, shutter and ISO) is
on the mark.  As such, half the reason to have the iris open (viewing) is
eliminated.  The other reason SLRs have the iris open when focusing is to
have the DOF very shallow, so it's easier to focus.  However, this raises
the issue of focus shifting when the iris shuts down.  Sony gave Zeiss one
more variable to forget about (relatively).  Since the focusing is being
done at close to the shooting aperture, Zeiss is free to allow focus
shifting as needed to meet other design parameters.

This is another example of the extent to which the optics and electronics
are being designed as a package.  So, one irony of the Sony is that while
it's able to use legacy glass, it is also going to have optics that are more
tied to the camera than in the past.  As such, I think Zeiss will be able to
produce sharper lenses for less money than could be done when they had to
worry about focus shift issues.

Note that there is an interesting possible future solution to the vibration
-- have the iris do it all.  It can be both iris and leaf shutter.  Some
compact cameras do this.  However, you'd lose legacy glass compatibility and
some very high speeds.  I would not be surprised to see some lenses with a
leaf shutter option.  They are the smoothest shutters.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Frank Filippone
<red735i at verizon.net>wrote:

> Paul says it does stop down before it AF, Sonny says it stays open 
> during AF...  Specifically with the same 35mm FE lens
>
> ????  I am confused.....
>
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at verizon.net
>




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