Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/02/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Mark. Maybe so but the word is he dumped all his Canon equipment to get the money out before they go down in value. Scott > On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > > Depends on what you mean by "went". Photographers tend to own and use a > myriad assortment of cameras. Unlike many of us on the lug when the get > into > a new camera system they do so by buying it. They don't trade for it. > I could belive it because you say so, Scott but why not paste in a URL so > I can see it with my own eyes?!? > I'd guess Marc has probably under a hundred cameras he uses occasionally. > My I politely say its unlikely his got rid of his full frame Canon EOS Mark > system? And that I'd bet real money he shoots medium format digital a few > times a year rented or otherwise. And to walk his dog he's got a Minox in > his back pocket. > > > > >> On 2/25/14 7:37 AM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: >> >> Mark one studio is World famous portrait photographer Marc Hauser in >> Chicago. >> Went from Canon to Panasonic GH 3 recently. And they shoot JPEG for fast >> turn >> around since the sensor is so good. Also another.reason is the quality of >> the >> video since they are shooting those in studio as well. >> >> Scott >> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:58 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Really Scott which pro studies are trading in their full frame DSLR's for >>> cropped? >>> Problem is when the sensors get better so do the full frame sensors. >>> And pros get very excited about the quality of their output going up; not >>> down. >>> >>> >>>> On 2/24/14 6:31 PM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually Mark that is exactly what is starting to happen in some >>>> studios! >>>> Scott >>>> >>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You're just not selling me on the idea that serious shooters or pros >>>>> are >>>>> shooting 4/3's cameras. certainly a cameras does not need to be light >>>>> or >>>>> tiny underwater. I cant think of any other convoluted reason. >>>>> There is no logic to the idea that the line between 1.5x and 2x >>>>> formats has >>>>> been somehow magically blurred. >>>>> In general what is happening is not "the technology is advancing lets >>>>> more >>>>> down in format" but quite the opposite. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/24/14 4:55 PM, "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you stop in at Glazers Camera here in Seattle (a "real" camera >>>>>> store >>>>>> with >>>>>> complete lines in stock at any given time and knowledgeable sales >>>>>> people), >>>>>> you'll see that the largest number of people are always milling >>>>>> around the >>>>>> mirrorless counters. Every time I walk in there, someone is fondling >>>>>> an >>>>>> EM-5, >>>>>> GX-7 or EM-1 and marveling at their handsome design and good handling. >>>>>> Then >>>>>> there's the look of disbelief on their faces when the salesperson >>>>>> hands >>>>>> them >>>>>> Panasonic's 12-35 (24-70 equiv) f/2.8 that weighs only 305 grams, or >>>>>> the >>>>>> Olympus 12mm f/2 (24mm equiv) that weighs just 130 grams... Once you >>>>>> educate >>>>>> buyers and show them the alternative (i.e., a Canon 60D with the >>>>>> 24-70mm >>>>>> f/2.8L), then let them take a few shots and look at them on a >>>>>> computer, >>>>>> they >>>>>> understand where things are going. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> --Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another problem with REAL camera sales is so many REAL camera stores >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> gone from the scene. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know there are only four camera stores left in all of >>>>>>> Louisiana, all in New Orleans. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's no inventory of serious choices at the Best Buys and Targets >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> have "replaced" them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We're reaping what we sowed when we shunned the little camera stores >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> mail order. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Jim Laurel (gmail) >>>>>>> <jplaurel at gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They are doing well in at least one area, albeit very niche area: >>>>>>>> underwater photography. A couple of the major dealers in the >>>>>>>> country for >>>>>>>> UW >>>>>>>> photo and video gear tell me that m4/3 is outselling DLSR systems 6 >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The disappointing popularity of mirrorless in North America is due >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> uninformed consumers and also the fallacy that really good image >>>>>>>> quality >>>>>>>> starts at APS-C. Already M4/3 is very hard to distinguish from >>>>>>>> APS-C for >>>>>>>> most applications. And the fact remains that larger sensors mean >>>>>>>> larger >>>>>>>> lenses. Neither of the top 2 manufacturers of APS-C DSLRs has ever >>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> serious attempt at a high quality lens line for their cop sensor >>>>>>>> cameras. >>>>>>>> I'm talking about a full range of high speed primes and fast zooms, >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> the users of APS-C cameras want really good glass, they're forced >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> full frame lines. Only the m4/3 consortium have made a serious >>>>>>>> attempt >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> complete system with premium glass optimized for the smaller >>>>>>>> sensor. The >>>>>>>> jewel-like Olympus 12mm f/1.8, the 75mm f/1.8, Panasonic 8mm >>>>>>>> fisheye and >>>>>>>> 7-14 are the result. Extremely compact lenses of extremely high >>>>>>>> optical >>>>>>>> quality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's funny to look back and remember all the prejudice against the >>>>>>>> "small >>>>>>>> format" 24mm x 26mm when it was first introduced. But as film >>>>>>>> quality >>>>>>>> improved, so did the viability of the 135 format for almost every >>>>>>>> application. The same will be true of sensors, only it will happen >>>>>>>> faster, >>>>>>>> and in 10 years' time, a lens the size and weight of Canon's >>>>>>>> 70-200mm >>>>>>>> f/2.8 >>>>>>>> IS USM will look like quite the relic, while Panasonic's 35-100 >>>>>>>> f/2.8 >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be regarded as having been a harbinger of the future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>>>>>> rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And Panasonic. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It seems to the average western consumer a mirrorless is a step up >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> they get with their Smartphone but they don't find it necessary to >>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> step they are more conserved with getting the pix out of their >>>>>>>>> phones >>>>>>>> onto >>>>>>>>> their facebook or Instasgram or other social network galleries than >>>>>>>> hanging >>>>>>>>> a show on the wall of a gallery with exposed brick behind them. >>>>>>>>> We have to be careful when we say "mirrorless" now as they seem to >>>>>>>>> come >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> two distinct form factors. The original flat ones which could also >>>>>>>> emulate >>>>>>>>> compact rangefinder cameras. And ones which look like DSLR'S which >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> lightweight but too chunky to be called flat. >>>>>>>>> The articles states Asian ladies like the mirrorless as they are >>>>>>>>> light >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> to put in their purse. Western ladies don't see that? >>>>>>>>> The bottom line from all I can see is how to get the publics smart >>>>>>>>> phones >>>>>>>>> out of their cold dead hands to take a picture or do anything with >>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>> else. One step up is not enough over here it seems it seems we >>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>> two steps up and make it a camera which really shoots a quality >>>>>>>>> pictures >>>>>>>> IE >>>>>>>>> having a sensor at least 1.5x crop. >>>>>>>> > http://www.businessinsider.com/mirrorless-camera-sales-disappoint-2013-1>>>>>>> > 2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sonny >>>>>>> http://sonc.com/look/ >>>>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana >>>>>>> 1714 >>>>>>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase >>>>>>> >>>>>>> USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>> Photographer >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photographer >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information