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Subject: [Leica] M4/3 format ascendant
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:46:04 +1000
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I want to see the photo of those chickens on the phone! Doesn't it make
dialing messy?



Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman


On 27 February 2014 00:10, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:

> Alamy has just started accepting photos made with an iPhone - only iPhones,
> not Androids.  I went out yesterday and got an iPhone 4S - haven't figured
> out how to use it yet, but it is certainly better than my old cell phone.
>  It cost 99 cents.  I took photos of my chickens this morning.  They are
> still in the phone.  Soon I will figure out how to get them out of the
> phone and onto the internet.
>
> Tina
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> > Um, when I use my 4/3 rd Oly  or my Pentax Kr DSLR (which is not too
> often
> > anymore) and now my Sony A7r, I DON'T LEAVE IT (my M9) AT HOME.
> >
> > Nope, it comes to the party too.
> >
> > Sometimes, I shoot with my half-half-half-half-half-half-frame camera
> that
> > came on my phone, even if I did have ten cameras and thirty lenses within
> > reach at the moment.
> >
> > http://sonc.com/look/?p=3172
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > OK lets see I've gone out and spent seven grand usd on a Leica M40 to
> > > enable
> > > my tens of thousands of dollars of Leica glass but wait! Its a bit
> > heavy!!
> > > I'll just have to LEAVE IT AT HOME and carry a camera two formats
> smaller
> > > instead! Nobody can tell the difference right!
> > > NOT going to happen.
> > > And if nobody can tell the difference why am I so heavily invested in
> > full
> > > frame?
> > >
> > > By the way there is a format between 2x and 1x corp. and Its 1.5 crop
> and
> > > remains the most popular selling of DSLR cameras and certainly gives
> more
> > > bang for the buck than any other format and lits looking like
> mirrorless
> > > soon too. Many of these cameras exist in systems where you can use your
> > > full
> > > frame glass on them. They are nicely just a bit lighter and smaller.
> They
> > > don't seem like something which came out of a box of Cracker Jacks. And
> > in
> > > a
> > > studio strobe or otherwise non low light situation especially where you
> > can
> > > use the lowest iso' s they really may not tell the difference so much.
> > Like
> > > on the beach. At high noon.
> > > But to split that in half and go further smaller with the inane 4/3's
> > > format
> > > calling it comparable to the work of top full frame cameras is really
> too
> > > much.
> > > A really great use for a camera half half frame  (2x crop) is to put in
> > > your
> > > jeans pocket like a Minox which it would hopefully be the same size as.
> > Or
> > > the same size more realistically of a Rollei 35. Which come to think of
> > it
> > > is a full frame camera.
> > > In other words a near sub compact format sensor belongs in a near sub
> > > compact camera body..
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/25/14 9:58 PM, "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > My photography interests are pretty varied so I'm maintaining a
> > complete
> > > Leica
> > > > M9/M240 digital system, a Canon 5Dmk3 system, and a Micro 4/3 system
> > > with the
> > > > Olympus OMD EM-1. We do a lot of diving and my wife insists on a
> > > full-frame
> > > > system so she uses the 5Dmk3s, but I think she is slowly succumbing
> to
> > > the
> > > > siren call of Micro 4/3 because it is getting increasingly difficult
> to
> > > tell
> > > > the difference between our results underwater, not to mention that
> the
> > > many
> > > > usability advantages of the EM-1 often make it easier to get the shot
> > at
> > > all.
> > > > It's no wonder they are currently outselling DLSRs by 6 to 1 for this
> > > > application. I can choose to either use my EM-1 or our 2nd 5DMK3 body
> > > > underwater, yet I choose the M4/3 simply because of usability, which
> is
> > > a huge
> > > > asset in that environment. Quality is already good enough with the
> EM-5
> > > and
> > > > even better with the EM-1. Frankly, people are incredulous about the
> > > results
> > > > we are getting with M4/3 underwater these days and many are
> rethinking
> > > whether
> > > >  the better IQ of full frame is really worth the incredible hassle
> and
> > > expense
> > > > of getting it to some of the more remote diving destinations.
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to do more landscapes these days, especially infrared
> > > landscapes.
> > > > So when I have the luxury of working out of a car, and weight doesn't
> > > matter,
> > > > I have started to use the 5dMK3 system again. In fact, I just added
> the
> > > 17mm
> > > > and 24mm TS-E lenses to our kit for just this purpose. Also, we are
> > > preparing
> > > > to do some landscape astrophotography and the Canon is simply the
> best
> > > tool
> > > > for the job.
> > > >
> > > > With the advent of the Leica M240, the M system finally becomes truly
> > > viable
> > > > for landscape work. The EVF means I can frame accurately and position
> > > things
> > > > like grads properly.  The R to M adapter makes it possible to use
> > > telephotos
> > > > and focus them accurately. Unfortunately, it doesn't looks like it
> will
> > > ever
> > > > be a suitable tool for landscape astro because none of the M wide
> > angles
> > > (24
> > > > and wider) are well-corrected enough for coma to work well.
> > > >
> > > > The point of all this is horses for courses. If I'm on a dive trip,
> I'm
> > > > shooting M4/3 both above and below the water. If it's nighttime
> > > landscapes, or
> > > > landscapes where I can accommodate the weight and bulk, it's the
> Canon.
> > > If I
> > > > were going on a long trip during which I was doing a lot of walking
> > > during the
> > > > day and wanted the finest IQ, I'd go for the M240. If it is a long
> > > > through-hike like 800km on the Camino de Santiago, which is a mix of
> > > candids,
> > > > landscapes in all sorts of light in in all sorts of weather
> conditions,
> > > I'm
> > > > taking an EM-5 or EM-1. And for everything else, general shooting
> > around
> > > home,
> > > > I'm usually grabbing the EM-1 just because of all the cameras I have
> at
> > > my
> > > > disposal, none are as flexible, easy to use or as fun to use as the
> OMD
> > > EM-1.
> > > >
> > > > This argument that people have about full-frame vs APS-C vs M4/3 is
> > > ridiculous
> > > > because each of those systems has its place. Of the three, APS-C
> > probably
> > > > makes the least sense IMO, because it occupies this nether world in
> > > which the
> > > > smaller sensor doesn't bring any corresponding reductions in weight
> or
> > > bulk -
> > > > the worst of both worlds.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Leica Users Group.
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark William Rabiner
> > > Photographer
> > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sonny
> > http://sonc.com/look/
> > Natchitoches, Louisiana
> > 1714
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> >
> > USA
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Tina Manley
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>
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In reply to: Message from jplaurel at gmail.com (Jim Laurel (gmail)) ([Leica] M4/3 format ascendant)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] M4/3 format ascendant)
Message from sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter) ([Leica] M4/3 format ascendant)
Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] M4/3 format ascendant)