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Subject: [Leica] IMG: A sports pic question for Ted
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 16:54:26 -0800
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Dr. Ted Here :-) take two aspirins and call me in the morning! ;-) 

I'll answer the question of what my son says about most of the so called 
"sports photographers of today": It's printable! ;-)

"THEY ARE ALL MACHINE GUN ARTISTS!" Press button and motor drive screams off 
a dozen frames and in most cases they "miss the peak action!" He shoots as I 
did and do, you anticipate and before it happens you've already put 
everything inside the camera in motion to capture the peak action!" You 
don't think about what's about to happen as you already know that, so your 
anticipation factor is ready to shoot. Or you've shot. If not? You lost!

Once again I will tell you how I "trained myself" for about 6 weeks before 
going to cover any of the international sports events. I would go just 
outside the city limits very nearly everyday where a highway is 
straight-in-bound. Stand on the side of highway, focus and shoot incoming 
cars front license plate until you caught them tack sharp about a dozen 
frames in a row. And the car is travelling at you 100klms per hour. Or 60 
mph! 

Yep in the days of film it cost a bundle even for the cheapest film as we 
threw it away after it was examined with a powerful loupe and occasionally 
we made a print. Just to see what it looked like in print form.

The comment about the digital camera getting it's ass in gear making 
exposures while the photographer holds down  the shutter release? It's a 
dumb ass camera! Get rid of it and get one that works properly for shooting 
sports! Jeeesshh!

cheers,
Dr. ted ;-) 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leowesson" <leowesson at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: A sports pic question for Ted


> All manual exp helps.  I practice timing a lot.  Shoot kids bouncing 
> basketballs and try to stop the ball at specific places.  I only shoot 1 
> or 2 frames.  The pros shoot hundreds of frames. 
> 
> Leo Wesson
> leowesson.com
> 
>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 16:48, lrzeitlin at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> I was a much better sports photographer back in the good old film days 
>> than I am now. I had trained my trigger finger to click the shutter of my 
>> Leica the instant before I saw something interesting happen and chances 
>> are I got the picture. I was a specialist in soccer. I had both played 
>> and coached the game and could anticipate the action. Local newspapers 
>> called me to cover regional and state championships.
>> 
>> 
>> Looking back through my old files I had a lot of great shots. Here is one 
>> published in a newspaper almost 50 years ago. Note the long hair and the 
>> "traditional" soccer ball. The picture was taken on a cloudy, overcast 
>> day.? Pushed Tri-X film was necessary to get a high shutter speed .The 
>> grain is simply from a big blowup. The picture looks like crap on a 
>> computer but looked OK when printed in a newspaper using a halftone 
>> screen.
>> 
>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Larry+Z/Soccer_001.jpg.html
>> 
>> 
>> But now with my digital cameras I press the shutter button and wait and 
>> wait and wait for the picture to be taken. Sure, they are in focus and 
>> exposed correctly and the ASA 6000 sensor means that I don't have to push 
>> film speeds but getting the critical moment is a matter of guesswork. By 
>> actual test my DSLR takes nearly half a second in auto mode from button 
>> press to shutter click. A big league baseball would travel from the 
>> pitcher's hand to the catcher's glove in that time. Even by using all the 
>> tricks, manual settings, prefocus, etc. I can't reduct the latency to 
>> much less than .25 seconds. My reaction time with a film Leica is half 
>> that.
>> 
>> 
>> Motor drives and sequence photography anyone? It seem like cheating to me.
>> 
>> 
>> Ted, what does your son do?
>> 
>> 
>> Larry Z
>> 
>> 
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