Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/03/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Yes. My wife speaks some Dutch. Her mother was fluent in Dutch. It stand to
reason given the colonial period that spanned some 350 years of Dutch rule
(
and that?s a long, long time in the more ?slowly rotating world? of the
day. Dutch speakers are found among older, educated generations. The Dutch
set up a zone on Sumatra where they selectively educated (i.e., groomed)
native Indonesians to help ?run the country (i.e., become bureaucrats,
educators, doctors etc.). My wife is descended from that tribe (i.e.,?
seeds? of the Indonesian intelligentsia). Today, Indonesians are more
interested in learning English, Japanese, and Chinese reflecting their
growing commercial ties with the wider world. We enjoy Amsterdam (i.e.,
?mother country??) for the reason that it has more ?Indonesian? museum
displays and historical artifacts than on display in Indonesia itself; along
with its many fine Indonesian restaurants. Leon
From: Nathan Wajsman [mailto:photo at frozenlight.eu]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:23 PM
To: Leon Pomeroy
Subject: Re: Jakarta, Indonesia
Sounds like a fantastic place the way you describe it. I will not have time
to go outside Jakarta. Actually, speaking of languages: since it was a Dutch
colony, are there any traces of that language? I speak fluent Dutch from my
years of living in the Flemish part of Belgium and later in the Netherlands.
Cheers,
Nathan
Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
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YNWA
On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Leon Pomeroy wrote:
Nathan: the level of English, even passive English, is not good!
Indonesia ?lived? in relative isolation from the world during the Sukarno
(?Guided Democracy?) and much of the Suharto dictatorships. These days,
commerce, hegemonic China, South China Sea issues, and Terrorism are
bringing change. The U.S. is less inclined to be upset over human rights
issues; for we need Indonesia as a ?Fire Wall? against the rising tide of
Islamic extremism. Enjoy your visit, and of course the Islands beyond
Jakarta are awesome. Our American Ex-Pat-lawyer-friend Frank even bicycles
down a mountain on one of those islands. And, too, I met divers at Caf?
Memories who had explored some of the islands with none other than Leni
Riefenstahl in her early 90s. She died age 101. My wife and I spent our
honeymoon driving from Jakarta, across Java to Bali where we visited the rim
of the volcano known as Mt. Bromo and then went on to spend time at
Borobudur Temple
built by the ancient Sailendra dynasty around 800 A.D.
Indonesians have their dialects and my wife speaks the Javanese dialect of
this region in addition to Indonesian. You remind me, I?ve got to organize
my movies and slides one of these days. You?ve succeeded in evoking happy
memories with a smile. Leon
From: Nathan Wajsman [mailto:photo at frozenlight.eu]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:25 PM
To: Leon Pomeroy
Subject: Re: Jakarta, Indonesia
Thanks, Leon. By coincidence, we are hosting a meeting of EU delegations to
third countries at our office these two days, and today I had an opportunity
to speak with an English guy who works at the EU delegation in Jakarta.
Based on that and the suggestions from you and others on the list, I have
decided to stay for 2 extra days.
Just one last question: how is the level of English among taxi drivers,
shopkeepers (not in touristy areas) etc.?
Cheers,
Nathan
Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
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YNWA
On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Leon Pomeroy wrote:
Nathan.
Re, Jakarta: The following might interest you. I also enjoyed Caf?
?Memories,? two years ago. It is where many expats gather. Don?t know if
it?s still there? Consider a student guide. Dr. Leon Pomeroy, Northern
Virginia, USA
1. Musium Fatahillah (The Jakarta History Museum, also known as
Batavia Museum. Located in the Old Town of Jakarta.
?
<https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&espv=210&es_sm=93&biw=1000&bih=619&q=mus
eum+fatahillah+address&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgy4HnxCXfq6-gWmSYYGRoZZ
sdrKVfk5-cmJJZn4enGGVmJJSlFpcLLiLdekbs0Vnj6a_TltscDbi8qI5NwGfa-iGSgAAAA&ei=b
BwnU6W1MMaH0AG8hYD4Bg&ved=0CKwBEOgTKAEwDw> Address: Jalan Taman Fatahillah
No.1, Jakarta. ?Old Town? Batavia is interest area.
?
<https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&espv=210&es_sm=93&biw=1000&bih=619&q=mus
eum+fatahillah+phone&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgz0HnxCXfq6-gWmSYYGRoZZ-d
rKVfnJ-Tk5qcklmfp5-dl5-eU5qSnpqfEFiXmpOsX5GYnF8QUZ-XqoVmLy-efqBNzsFK0zMVJ9eO
xB8fiLjNnYAsy-OFVwAAAA&ei=bBwnU6W1MMaH0AG8hYD4Bg&ved=0CLEBEOgTMBE> Phone:
+62 21 6929101
? ? 2. Kebon Raya Bogor (The Bogor Botanical Gardens) is a botanical
garden located in Bogor, Indonesia, 60 km south of
? Jakarta. The gardens are in the city center and adjoin the Istana
Bogor. The gardens cover more than 80 hectares.
?
<https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&biw=1000&bih=619&q=bogor+bo
tanical+garden+address&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgw4HnxCnfq6-gaVpUYqFlmx
2spV-Tn5yYklmfh6cYZWYklKUWlzce8_wSA6_-fxbnqxFdU5fDtg2pzgAABSS2UtJAAAA&sa=X&e
i=tB4nU8rhOeGY0QGP84GwCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CLIBEOgTKAEwDw> Address: Jalan Ir. Haji
Juanda No.13, Bogor
?
<https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&biw=1000&bih=619&q=bogor+bo
tanical+garden+phone&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgx0HnxCnfq6-gaVpUYqFln52s
pV-cn5OTmpySWZ-nn52Xn55TmpKemp8QWJeak6xfkZicXxBRn5eqhWYfNBRXnSqW3N26wTJO6FL_
HsFXhzYDgAIXQtxWwAAAA&sa=X&ei=tB4nU8rhOeGY0QGP84GwCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CLcBEOgTMBE>
Phone: +62 251 8322187
?
? 3. Kebon binatang Ragunan ( Ragunan Zoo is located in Pasar Minggu, South
Jakarta). It is home to over 270
? species of animals, 171 species of flora.
?
<https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&biw=1000&bih=619&q=ragunan+
zoo+address&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgw4HnxCnfq6-gXl8WkqGlmx2spV-Tn5yYk
lmfh6cYZWYklKUWlzsu7U7-KBU1rKVfs8Utm1JjpB5mbwAAJZNHXNJAAAA&sa=X&ei=JCQnU9WxE
s6L0QG64IGQCg&ved=0CJwBEOgTKAEwDw> Address: No. 1, Jalan Harsono Rm, Pasar
Minggu, Jakarta Selatan
?
<https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&biw=1000&bih=619&q=ragunan+
zoo+phone&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgx0HnxCnfq6-gXl8WkqGln52spV-cn5OTmpy
SWZ-nn52Xn55TmpKemp8QWJeak6xfkZicXxBRn5eqhWY_FM6Ye2Po0V6vW-F5nS8MJMukA3nAgB0
yKI7WwAAAA&sa=X&ei=JCQnU9WxEs6L0QG64IGQCg&ved=0CKkBEOgTMBM> Phone: +62 21
7890615
? 4. Ragunan Orchid Garden on Jl. Harsono R.M. near the Ragunan Zoo in
South Jakarta.
? 5. Taman Wisata Mekar Sari (fruit park)
Address: SJl. Raya Cileungsi - Jonggol Km. 3, Cileungsi, Bogor
Phone: 021-8231811-13
? Website: www.mekarsari.com
?