Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/03/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Howard, Trying to wrap my layman's brain around this. When I bring an M240 file into CC from LR with no resolution change, it is 2,682 x 3352 px at 360dpi. It is 7.45 x 9.311 inches in size. So if I use bicubic smoother and upsize the number of pixels to 2x(2,682 x 3,352) or 5,364 x 6,704 at 360dpi I should get the effects you are predicting: sharper looking images with smoother gradients BUT is now a 14.9 x 18.622 inch size. What needs to be done then if I want my print size to be at the original dimensions: 7.45 x 9.311 inches? Or a larger size than the now 14.9 x 18.622 inches? Thanks, Bob Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Howard Ritter <hlritter at bex.net> wrote: > > Poking around with huge degrees of enlargement and up-sampling (but > perhaps not irrelevantly so for making large prints of landscapes, etc) in > PS with files from M9, M240, NEX-7,and D800 (not E), I found: > > 1. The D800?s 36MP FF sensor with the current Nikkor 35/1.4 at f/5.6 > produces conspicuously better detail near the limit than the M240?s 24MP > FF sensor with the Summilux 35 ASPH at 5.6 does, and the NEX?s 24MP APS-C > sensor (same pixel size as a 54MP FF sensor) with the kit 18-55 zoom set > to produce the equivalent of FF 35mm FL produces about the same image > resolution as the M. This is not the end-all of important sensor > characteristics, but it can be an important one under some circumstances. > What this tells me is not only that a 24MP FF sensor does not put modern > premium prime glass to the test, but also that even inexpensive modern > kit-zoom glass would not be outclassed by a 54MP FF sensor with regard to > resolution. This would seem exactly analogous to the role of fine-grain > film back in the day (anyone remember that stuff?). One wonders what Leica > AG (and every other manufacturer?s) engineers make of this fact, and > whether there is a 54MP camera (M540?) or beyond in their minds. Of > course, as with Microfile film, the part of the "need spectrum? such > capability occupies would be very small. Still, Microfile had its > enthusiasts beyond microfilming documents for efficient filing. I?d like > to know what pixel count (disregarding tradeoffs in noise etc) corresponds > to the innate resolving power of the best modern glass at center and > optimum aperture. Given the improvement produced by the ~25% linear > increase from 24MP to 36MP and the 50% increase to (an effective) 54MP, > it?s clearly at least 1.5 times, and maybe twice, the linear count of a > 24MP sensor (i.e., ~50 to 100MP). And what pixel count corresponds to the > best general-use emulsions from the Age of Film (K64, Plus-X, etc) in > terms of lp/mm? Anyone have a reference? These results also make me wonder > about the actual utility of the new superpremium normal lenses, the 50mm > Summicron ASPH and Nikon?s 58mm 1.4, with current sensors. Maybe they > extend the envelope in which they are not outmatched by the sensor further > from the center and from the optimal aperture beyond what lesser lenses do. > > 2. Doubling the linear number of pixels H and W in PS produces a clearly > smoother image, with what appears to be better resolution, near the limit. > I know that in theory this is illusory, as creating new pixels from the > averages of their parent and neighboring pixels cannot add new > information. But the appearance of doing so is strong, and I think this is > a result of the fact that for the most part, natural subjects are not > wholly random but have fractal dimensions and high degrees of internal > correlation: for example, linear or continuous features are common, such > as areas, edges and boundaries, and so on. Such features are not likely to > be confined to a few pixels but to extend over many. Multiplying pixels as > is done in PS can create a powerful illusion of making a linear feature > seem better defined and sharper. If you took a picture of a wall of tiny > square, randomly colored tiles such that the image of 4 tiles in a square > exactly occupied an entire pixel, the original file would make the 4 look > like 1, with a color representing their average (this is a thought > experiment, ignoring the fact that we deal, Foveon aside, with > single-color pixels and Bayer patterns). Pixel-doubling would then produce > not a faithful depiction of the actual 4 tiles making up the square, but > an illusion of 4 tiles and an artificial average color for each of the > virtual tiles. But this is a very unnatural situation, and in real life, > with natural subjects, what appears at any given point in an image is > likely to closely resemble what appears at the points that correspond to > the adjacent pixels, so that pixel-doubling does, in at least a semi-real > sense, have the effect of increasing the visual resolution of the image. I > think of up-sampling the original file to increase the pixel count as > ?unmasking? information that was implicitly there as a result of the > innate characteristics of the physical world. > > ?howard > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information