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Subject: [Leica] Lightroom and the subscription model
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:10:43 +1000
References: <CAE3QcF5XFUuiytXpRV_WLWcqYsQD1Krdfp32VmiWeTbQG=KK=g@mail.gmail.com> <CFE5F40B.218F3%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Agree with all of the above Mark. However not a great fit with the LUG
demographic.
I mainly  just send links to interested people when I post new work now.


Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman


On 12 July 2014 10:05, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> I knew you were getting an S2... Perhaps before you did! The camera has
> your
> name all over it. Get a short tele and you're good to go. I had nothing but
> a 150 Sonnar on my first Hasselblad for a few years. And a 105 2.5 on my
> Nikon.
> On some of your subject matter though pretty girls is a theme which has
> broad forgive the pun interest. Walk by the magazine rack and take a
> glance.
> Its all you see.  Everyone loves looking at pretty girls.
> Pretty girls love looking at pretty girls.
> Is Elle and Vogue filled with pix of guys? No!
> The Babes rule.
>
>
> On 7/11/14 7:08 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Mark that's twice you said something nice about me here recently.
> > Thanks!
> > I am shootings lots although maybe not work that interests much of the
> LUG,
> > and I do thoroughly enjoy learning to use the tools available for
> > developing as well.  I have shot 10,500 frames with my M in 9 months thus
> > far and I just got the S2 as well so that will hardly improve how much
> time
> > I'm committed to for my photography. Now for another 12 hours in every
> day
> > ;-) I think I'm 1000 images behind in my editing and I'm working with
> five
> > different models in the studio over the next few days as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Geoff
> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >
> >
> > On 12 July 2014 07:41, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "yes I would get the upgrade or start paying  the ten bucks but my
> extreme
> >> disinterest in working at all with my images precludes that".
> >>
> >> We've leaned that there is a  often a correlation between the amount
> people
> >> spend on exotic gear and their interest in the craft itself.  And its
> not
> >> good.
> >> The ones like yourself, Hoppy who commit to the work itself and a few
> >> others
> >> are veering toward being the exception. That being a good thing.
> >> Ten bucks a month means lifting a pinky finger. And that's more than a
> lot
> >> of these guys are going to do.
> >> And they remind us of this over and over again. Like every time there
> is an
> >> upgrade as if there is some question as if we want the upgrade or not.
> >> "is it worth the upgrade?" being totally an internet phenomenon.
> >> As is "overshooting" and "you need to always shoot wide open to take
> full
> >> advantage of  your quality glass".  ...
> >>
> >> On 7/10/14 4:58 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't think it would be a reasonable business model to have someone
> >> rent
> >>> for a while and then give them the product for free when they stop
> paying
> >>> the rent!
> >>> However if you have Lightroom bundled with Photoshop under the $9.99 a
> >>> month plan and stop that subscription, the catalogue part does keep
> >> working
> >>> and actually if you have quick develop settings on import those keep
> >>> working too.
> >>>
> >>> Of course Lightroom is still available under the perpetual licence
> model
> >> to
> >>> purchase at retail or the same bundled with some cameras, especially
> ones
> >>> that have a red dot on them ;-)
> >>>
> >>> I know that some people just dislike the subscription idea from anyone,
> >>> which is personal choice of course.
> >>> I actually have perpetual licences for both the Creative Suite and
> >>> Lightroom but the $9.99 a month is compelling enough for me with the
> >>> continuing updates especially that I use that in their place on two
> >>> computers here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Geoff
> >>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11 July 2014 04:22, piers at hemy.org <piers.hemy at gmail.com> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for posting this Geoff as it did tell me something I didn't
> know,
> >>>> although not the good news that Victoria intended. I had assumed that
> LR
> >>>> was a one time add on to PSCC that would continue to be usable after
> the
> >>>> subscription expiry. Not so! Develop mode is disabled if there is no
> >> valid
> >>>> subscription.
> >>>>
> >>>> :-(
> >>>>
> >>>> Piers
> >>>>  On 9 Jul 2014 22:55, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This post from Victoria Bampton may be of interest to anyone
> >> considering
> >>>>> Adobe's subscription packages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://www.lightroomqueen.com/cancel-cc-subscription-youll-lose-work-will/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Geoff
> >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark William Rabiner
> >> Photographer
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> >>
> >>
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