Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/08/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The funny thing is that Mike Johnston, who sort of regrets that he ever uttered those words, has singlehandedly increased the "value" of that lens by at least 30% On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: > Oops, sorry. No, I have the 50 Summilux Asph. and the 35 Summicron Asph. > Nevermind. I'll just go back to photographing people and forget about the > bokeh. > > Tina > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:07 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> > wrote: > > > You have the 50mm Summicron APO asph? > > > > john > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > I have that one so I'll try it, too. I much prefer the bokeh in that > > photo! > > > > Tina > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:37 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> > > wrote: > > > > > You take a different type of photograph to me Tina, two of the images > > > I showed the background disks are part of the shot. A straight shot > > > would not be worth showing and I like the fact I can create something > > > which the eye does not see ;-) > > > > > > If you want a neutral background then the 50mm APO Summicron is the > > > best I have seen..... > > > http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2014/31/content/L2005284_large.html > > > > > > john > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > I think you are right, Ted! I'm not going to worry about bokeh any > more! > > > From the examples posted here (and on Olympus and MUG) of "good" > > > bokeh, only a few look good to me and those are the ones where the > > > bokeh is not obvious. If the first thing you see in a photo is the > > > bokeh, that is a bad thing!! All of those hideous circles take your > > > eye away from whatever it is that you are trying to photograph in the > > > first place. I just don't understand how that could possibly be > > considered good. > > > > > > No more bokeh for me. Just photos. > > > > > > Thanks for the reminder, Ted! > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > TINA MANELY OFFERED AFTER READING: Mike Johnson's BOKEH article: > > > > >> He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic: > > > > > > > > the larger the aperture > > > > the closer the focus > > > > the more distant the background > > > > the more contrasty the background > > > > No wonder I had problems. My 3 photos included all of the > > > > problematic possibilities!<<<<< > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > == > > > > ====== > > > > ============== > > > > > > > > Hi CREW & TINA, > > > > So once again Mike and his bokeh assessments and spooky stories > > > > about this lens phenomena raises it's so called ugly head and nearly > > > > everyone acquires wet pants of panic over it! Get over it! Simply > > > > because if you know nothing about it > > > > > > > > "" It don't matter! "IT's THE CONTENT THAT COUNTS!!! HOWEVER IT > > > > MATTERS TO THE OVER TECHIE PEOPLE!"" Good buddy Mike being one of > them! > > > :-) Hi Mike! > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > OK here I go again.;-) > > > > So please let me explain before some of you get wet pants ? ;-) I > > > > had been a working well published and paid professional photographer > > > > for I suppose 30 years or more and never knew such a lens phenomena > > existed. > > > > Until one day shortly after joining the LUG and Mike Johnson came on > > > > with his spooky "bokeh -- BS!" Heck I had never read anything about > > > > this "HORRID LENS EFFECT" let alone it even existed. So OK I had > > > > nearly always used LEICA glass, whether it exists on LEICA lenses or > > > > not? "PLEASE DON'T TELL IF IT DOES, SIMPLY BECAUSE, "WHAT I DON'T > > > > KNOW ISN'T GOING TO HURT MY PICTURES!" > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Besides it obviously wasn't a detrimental factor! As I was being > > > > hired to fly about the world on "paying published assignments!"NEVER > > > > A WORD FROM SOME OF THE TOUGHEST-ASSED PHOTO EDITORS YOU NEVER WANT > > > > TO HAVE! KILLERS OF ONES FEELINGS! > > > > So when it came up on the LUG screen and I read about it, my > > > > immediate re-action was "BUll-s-t!" STILL IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS!" > > > > > > > > Because if it were such a horrid picture spoiling effect? I'd > > > > certainly have been chastised to tears any number of times in the > > > > past published 60 years! > > > > But do you know what???? Not one peep about the "bokeh effect" in > > > > any of the over 300,000 images in the National Archives collection! > > > > > > > > OK folks, those who made it to the Leica Gallery New York? ........ > > > > "I didn't hear any comments about the horrid evil "BOKEH FACTOR" in > > > > any of the photos hanging on the walls? Therefore? Is "BOKEH" as > > > > usual, just another techie bit of jabber-whookie needlessly wasting > > > > our picture taking time babbling about it? INSTEAD OF TAKING > PICTURES? > > > > > > > > OK folks, "have a go at the old LAD!" :-) Whatever you do say, truly > > > > isn't going to change my mind about "THE BIG BAD BOOGIE BOKEHMAN!" > > > > :-) cheers, Dr. ted :-)the "big bad bokeh boogeyman":-) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On > > > > Behalf Of Tina Manley > > > > Sent: August-20-14 3:39 PM > > > > To: MUGers at yahoogroups.com; Leica Users Group; paw; seephoto; > > > > Olympus Camera Discussion > > > > Subject: [Leica] Bokeh and Lenses > > > > > > > > PESO: > > > > > > > > Mike Johnston (The Online Photographer) has written quite a bit > > > > about bokeh. He has a pdf in which he rates many lenses for their > > bokeh. > > > > > > > > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/files/bokehrankings5.pdf > > > > > > > > He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic: > > > > > > > > the larger the aperture > > > > the closer the focus > > > > the more distant the background > > > > the more contrasty the background > > > > > > > > No wonder I had problems. My 3 photos included all of the > > > > problematic possibilities! > > > > > > > > Guess I'll try again. The Summicron does get a 10 in the lens > > ratings. > > > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > -- > Tina Manley > www.tinamanley.com > tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto