Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/12/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Actually, it really is quite simple: if you can afford it, then it is worthwhile. Otherwise, it's not :-) On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > Nothing wrong with saying whether you think the upgrade is worthwhile if > that is what you want. > What I did was say these are the improvements that were worthwhile for ME. > Just facts and no opinion on whether the change is worthwhile for Leland. > Not for you and not for Nathan, that is fine. > I'm not an enabler. I can provide facts and I know my Leica gear which I > use a lot. The importance and priorities are entirely what each of us > choose. > > > Cheers > Geoff > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > On 8 December 2014 at 17:01, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Geoff, I am just "throwing cold water." I can be an enabler too, but I > > suspect when people ask that kind of question, their mind is made up > > already so cold water has no effect anyway :-) > > > > As for 10%, just a number I made up, but honestly, I am talking the # of > > "keeper images" and if someone says a M240 improves their keepers by more > > than 10% from an M9, I would like to see that :-) > > > > What you quoted are technical mumbo-jumbo, which does not make better > > images, may be except as psychological "wow, I now have the M240, I must > > make good images!" > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at > > gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Ted here is the KISS summary. > > > Yep content is everything. Both cameras can make great or cr*p photos. > > > It is a better Leica than the one it replaced. > > > Whether the differences matter for an individual is up to them. > > > > > > Richard I get your basic theme, but > > > I'm not sure how you measured that there is a 10% difference in the > > images > > > though! > > > !0% faster , brighter, sharper, less calories, what???!!! > > > > > > For fun here are some other percentages for you ;-) > > > It is 50% faster, 33% higher pixel count, 100% better noise > performance. > > > Quieter, better built, better RF you will have to run your own numbers > > ;-) > > > I have no idea on current used prices for the M9 there. I understand > that > > > there are discounts from US Dealers currently. > > > The M is available for maybe $1000 at least less here than say 12 > months > > > ago and is much cheaper than the Monochrom for example.. > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > Geoff > > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > > > > On 8 December 2014 at 15:28, Richard Man <richard at > > > richardmanphoto.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, let he images speak for themselves :-) > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > > > > > > > Here's what "I MISS THE MOST FROM THOSE GREAT OLD DAYS!" > > > > > > > > > > "KISS!" We took photos, made nice prints and it was all about > "LEICA > > > > > CAMERAS!" GOOD, BAD, OR UGLY? Rarely the last two as we were all > > Leica > > > > > photographers and not the mixture of almost every crappy over > techie > > > > gizmo > > > > > referred to as a :Super whiz-bang camera machine of today? That one > > > must > > > > > nearly be a graduate of MIT to understand what the hell all the > > > > > indescribable words mean?" > > > > > > > > > > In the good old days it was 99.9% about the QUALITY OF THE "WET > TRAY > > > > > print!" > > > > > Or the most important?????????? > > > > > > > > > > "THE CONTENT WITHIN THE BORDERLINES!" > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't get much more KISS than that? > > > > > That's what I miss most! > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] > > > > > On > > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > Richard Man > > > > > Sent: December-07-14 5:53 PM > > > > > To: Leica Users Group > > > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Trade in my M9? > > > > > > > > > > I miss the "good ol' days" when people argue about the smoothness > of > > > the > > > > > brass ratchet vs. the cheap metal used in M6 etc. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Or how some Leica M-film is 1 mm higher than the other models and > how > > > > that > > > > > ruins the experience. > > > > > > > > > > OK, no, I do not miss those days. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Richard Man < > > > richard at richardmanphoto.com > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Did you read my 10% reply to Sue? Basically, at best, the M240 > may > > > get > > > > > you > > > > > > 10% better photos. How many photos are you happy with now? Lets > see > > > > it's > > > > > 10 > > > > > > out of 100. With the M240, you get... 11 photos. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it worth it to sell the M9 for $4000-$4500 and gte an M240 for > > > that > > > > > > extra photo? You shall be the judge. > > > > > > > > > > > > But there is nothing against people wanting the next best thing, > > > so.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Leland Deane <lmdmd at att.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> OK, so I'm a fairly happy M9 guy (see attached) and it's done > well > > > by > > > > me > > > > > >> but M9's are doing well on the used market and I have considered > > > > trading > > > > > >> in/selling to get the M240. So....I need the honest and august > > > > opinions > > > > > of > > > > > >> this great group to tell me if I'm crazy. I am all about the > > sensor > > > > > quality > > > > > >> and do not in particular need 'live view' (have that on my Canon > > 5D > > > > mark > > > > > >> III) or video capabilities. For those of you with both or who > have > > > had > > > > > >> both, please give me your impressions of one vs. the other. > > > > > >> Much appreciated. > > > > > >> Recent photo of my kids attached---lightly processed in CC (view > > > > large) > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > >> Leland > > > > > >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> Leica Users Group. > > > > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > information > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > > > > > > // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > > > > > > // https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > > > > > // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > > > > > // https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > > > > // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > > > > // https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Leica Users Group. > > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > > // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > > // https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto // https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits