Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/12/08

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Subject: [Leica] Trade in my M9? (RICHARD MAN)
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:25:39 +0100
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What Geoff quote is certainly not ?technical mumbo jumbo?, not even for this 
Luddite. Of course, each of those factors is or is not important, depending 
on one?s shooting needs. In my case, for example, the 1-stop improvement in 
high ISO would be extremely important since I shoot a lot after dark. This 
is why I use my Fuji X cameras more than my M8. For someone who only shoots 
during the day this would be unimportant. On the other hand, pixel count has 
no relevance for me whatsoever. I can honestly say that I do not even know 
the megapixel counts of my cameras. I just know it is enough.

Cheers,
Nathan

On 8 Dec 2014, at 08:01, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:

> Hi Geoff, I am just "throwing cold water." I can be an enabler too, but I
> suspect when people ask that kind of question, their mind is made up
> already so cold water has no effect anyway :-)
> 
> As for 10%, just a number I made up, but honestly, I am talking the # of
> "keeper images" and if someone says a M240 improves their keepers by more
> than 10% from an M9, I would like to see that :-)
> 
> What you quoted are technical mumbo-jumbo, which does not make better
> images, may be except as psychological "wow, I now have the M240, I must
> make good images!"
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Ted here is the KISS summary.
>> Yep content is everything. Both cameras can make great or cr*p photos.
>> It is a better Leica than the one it replaced.
>> Whether the differences matter for an individual is up to them.
>> 
>> Richard I get your basic theme, but
>> I'm not sure how you measured that there is a 10% difference in the images
>> though!
>> !0% faster , brighter, sharper, less calories, what???!!!
>> 
>> For fun here are some other percentages for you ;-)
>> It is 50% faster, 33% higher pixel count, 100% better noise performance.
>> Quieter, better built, better RF you will have to run your own numbers ;-)
>> I have no idea on current used prices for the M9 there. I understand that
>> there are discounts from US Dealers currently.
>> The M is available for maybe $1000 at least less here than say 12 months
>> ago and is much cheaper than the Monochrom for example..
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 

Nathan Wajsman
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