[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: BIG new Leica - TINA

[john at mcmaster.fr (John McMaster)]

I don't think I have used my 50 Summilux asph since I got the Summicron APO,
if I need/want faster then I go to a Noctilux... Just spent my couple of
days away carrying a bag with 21/28/35/50 x2/75 but only ever used the
Summicron APO!

john

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Rabiner

Traditionally a 50 mm f/1.4 lens is the flagship default lens of any 35mm
format camera system but with people now thinking a lens which does not zoom
is an quaint anomaly that may be forgotten ethic. But traditionally people
are going to compare the 50 mm f/1.4 to their existing system and that's
what's going to form their opinion on a new system being introduced. A fact
that we know Leica has not forgotten if we look at the specs of the current
and fairly new LEICA SUMMILUX-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. Which holds no prisoners
yet is half the price of the APO-Summicron-M 50mm f/2.0 ASPH Lens which goes
for seven grand. Its just that "Summicron" is Leicas main brand so Leica
takes f2 very seriously. Anybody else wants a "1.4" on their 50mm lens.
Leica M glass as long been considered to be a step up at least from Canon
Nikon but Leica M glass has a cross to bear in that it must be made compact
to avoid blocking the viewfinder window. And that's a parameter to not be
taking lightly. Even if it makes the lens lighter.
As Leica has freed itself from this consideration by coming out with a
premium full frame not reflex but not rangefinder viewfinder either (mirror)
it can go all out and define itself with that lens and not have a
compactness parameter to throw off its game. So this is a big lens compared
to an M 50. Its big compared to any 50 out there except the new premium
Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 Otus Distagon.
Instead in all its advertizing you see the new digital SL with a dumb super
front heavy ultra wide range zoom. The kind of lens serous shooters have
long and famously reviled. Fire the marketing department.
Me personally I have a 50mm lens on my camera for weeks at at time sometimes
with a 35 or 85 in my camera bag it remains for me as flexible and quality
involved it always way in the film days. Though I've gone down a notch to
f1.8. Though at this moment the 35 1.8 is on the camera. A DSLR.
My 50 1.8G is so light I don't even know its in my camera bag I think there
is a spare pair of socks  in there.


On 10/23/15 10:56 AM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> And judging from the length of that lens, Leica, like Zeiss, is going 
> to a
more retrofocus design.  My assumption is that while the thinner cover glass
> on the Leicas minimizes the edge problems, it does not eliminate the
negative
> impact of the cover glass and obtuse ray angles -- even from a 50
mm lens.
> Light falloff is also less with the more retrofocus designs.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:03 AM, John
> McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:

> They look to be going for the Zeiss Otus market? Have you seen the 
> size of the 50mm Summilux, and it won't be available for a year!
>
>
> http://en.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-SL/Lenses/LEICA-SUMMILUX-
> SL
>
>
> Very similar styling in the lenses to the S range
>
> john
>
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.fr at leica-users.org]
> On Behalf
> Of
> Mark Rabiner
> Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2015 11:31 p.m.
>
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: BIG new Leica - TINA
>
> Importance: Low
>
> The first made for the camera lens is this big zoom but soon to come 
> will be prime lenses which I do believe might be worth the wait which 
> I don't think will be very long. The thing after all is a Leica and 
> deserves to not have a super front heavy configuration to it. Sure 
> Leica R's and SL's had big zooms people used for them but was not the 
> first thing they grabbed as they rushed out the door.. People put 50's 
> and 60's on them. and prime wides.
> Lenses which said "Summicron" on them. And Super-Angulon.
>
> And you'll feel something akin to the electric thrill I once enjoyed 
> when Gilmore, Liberatti, Pat Conway, The Great Creatore, W.C.
> Handy and John
> Philip Sousa all came to town on the very same historic day.
>
>
> On 10/22/15 4:36 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> You can use all of the Leica M and R lenses on it with adapters but
> > they
>
> won't
> > be autofocus.  Supposedly the very large, bright viewfinder makes
> it
> easier to
> > manually focus them.
>
> Tina
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at
> 4:33 PM, Mark Rabiner
> > <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>
> > The Leica SL
> with a small lens on it would be near pocketable (jacket
> > exterior pocket)
> unlike the Nikon. But like the M
> >
> > I think we need to not define a
> camera body by the stupidly huge lens
> >
> > someone puts on it. Any camera
> body can have a modest to compact optic
> > on> front of it instead of a metal
> munching fast zoom or a zoom with
> > an overly
> >
> > wide range... And VR
> makes a lens way heavier and I think bulkier.
> >
> > I'm
> > saying put more
> Leicalike glass in front of these bodies and we can
> > see how they compare
> with an M with a typical M optic on it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/22/15
>
> > 3:50 PM, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> Interesting.  He
> > also seems to state it has better image quality than the
> M.
> > > Here is a
> > quote:
> > >
> > > "The SL is not a cheap camera ?
> EUR6,000+ for the body and a
> > further
> > > EUR4,000+ for each lens makes
> this the preserve of the very
> > wealthy,
> > though
> > > in reality I
> suspect most of Leica?s existing audience
> > will see this one
> > as
> > > a
> no-brainer. M lenses are now virtually native, as
> > are R lenses; they?re
>
> > > easy to focus and image quality is better than from
> > the M cameras.
> It
> > would
> > > have been nice to see more resolution, but I
> > suspect
> this might have
> > eaten
> > > uncomfortably into S system sales. I
> >
> actually suspect this camera is the
> > > beginning of the end of the M
> >
> resurgence ? a typical complaint from M users
> > > I know is one of
> >
> deteriorating eyesight and difficulty in achieving focus.
> > > We no longer
>
> > have that problem. And for those used to paying $7,000+ for a
> > > body,
> the
> > SL isn?t a stretch at all."
> > >
> > > He also goes on a bit about
> the size.
> > BIG
> > >
> > > Aram Langhans
> > > (Semi) Retired  Science
> Teacher
> > > & Unemployed
> > photographer
> > >
> > > ?The Human Genome
> Project has proved Darwin more right
> > than Darwin
> > himself
> > > would
> ever have dared dream.?   James D. Watson
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original
> Message-----
> > > From: John McMaster
> > [mailto:john at mcmaster.fr]
> > >
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:58 AM
> > >
> > To: 'Leica Users Group'
> <lug at leica-users.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new
> > Leica - TINA
> >
> >
> > > It is the lenses, almost same size and weight as S
> > lenses!
> > >
>
> > >
> > https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5790/21615453253_1c85b372e2_c.jpg
> >
> >
> > > SL
> > compared to a D810 with 24-120/4 lens....
> > >
> > > (from
> >
> >
> > http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/10/21/premiere-review-2015-leica-sl-6
> > 01
>
> > /
> > )
> >
> > >
> > > john
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > >
> > > It's really not that
> > big of a camera, but folks are hung up on
> this idea
> > > that a mirrorless
> > camera has to be a tiny little thing.
>
> > > SL size compared to a digital M:
> > >
> > https://tinyurl.com/ppbdsr8
> >
> >
> > > I look forward to seeing what you can do
> > with it, Tina.
> > >
> >
> > Jay
> > >
> > > On 10/21/2015 3:17 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
> >
> > >> Has
> anybody posted a photo of it compared to the size of the M9 or
> > >> the>
> >>
> > M240?  The Sony and Fuji mirrorless cameras are actually too small
> and
> > >>
> > too light for me.
> > >>
> > >> Tina
> > >
> > >