[Leica] The "problem" with the M9

[steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)]

> On Jan 4, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I suspect, given expert capabilities, that one COULD fool the eye, and the
> computer driven measurement systems  between a color image converted to B+W
> or a B+W capture.
> The other way around is REALLY tough..... And no, I do not possess those
> abilities.  But to my eyes, the conversion is pretty believable.  that is
> sufficient.....for me.
> 
> So it becomes a one way system, just like in film days.... shoot Digi-B+W,
> and the game is over.  Shoot Digi-Color, and options abound. 

This makes it sound like the choice ought to be a very easy one.    But   !  
 the other consideration is what are you after, I suggest that if you know 
where you want to go with the shot( ie BW or color),  you have more options 
to work at the time of shooting, and you can go for it,   If you don?t know 
what you are after you when you take the shot, you actually limit your 
taking options, even though you may increase your making options. To me, the 
question is which way  works overall to make consistently  better pictures 
and which way do you enjoy.



steve




> A to John's comment about shooting really expensive (comparatively) single
> FL lenses and cameras to go with.......  My focusing is better than AF in
> the cameras I have ( for non moving subjects), they are smaller, ( but not
> lighter!), and the optics, regardless of the "film type", put the (N+C+???)
> others to shame.  Using the Sony A7 ( or the Fuji XE-1 due to my M9 
> problems
> in Canada this past year) , and therefore EVF, my focus is far superior in 
> %
> of focus on target hits compared to ANY RF M.  Any.  By ANYONE.  This is 
> not
> bragging, it is just plain fact.  I shoot Leica optics because they out
> resolve anything I can find.  And with EVF, I can focus substantially 
> better
> also.
> 
> PS: The WATE and the Tri-Elmar are like zooms... limited, but they do allow
> for great convenience.
> 
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at verizon.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of John McMaster
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 3:51 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] The "problem" with the M9
> 
> That is your choice, I prefer the rigour and tones of using a Monochrom 
> over
> colour conversions. If you deride wanting rigour why are you shooting fixed
> focal length, manual focus lenses on a rangefinder rather than auto
> focus/ISO/face finding etc cameras like most modern (and cheaper) ones ;-)
> 
> john
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> I see a major fault in this discussion..... It is 2017.  Capture is done
> digitally with an M9.  There are options.
> 
> In 1963, when I first got a real camera ( Zeiss Contax 2A) I had to decide
> in advance what to shoot.... B+W or Color and what emulsion to use.  With a
> few exceptions, (Panalure or some cross platform developing or copy negs)
> that decision was final.  There was no choice allowed after capture.  Color
> was color and B+W was B+W.
> 
> It is not 1963. It is 2017.  There is (are?) PS, LR, and a whole lot more
> digital photography programs to modify your captured image.  B+W from 
> color?
> Yes.
> Emulsion characteristic of grain or colorimetry?  Yes.  Filters like
> yellow, red, or whatever?  Yes.  Tungsten Lighting?  Yes.  And, absurdly,
> with the proper tools, (artificial) color from B+W image capture. 
> 
> So why the NEED to decide in advance?  The choice is yours to decide at
> capture or afterwards.
> 
> Yes, there are differences between the captured images between the M9 and
> the Monochrom....  You can always carry and use one or the other on any 
> day.
> Or carry both....
> 
> But to be honest, carrying 2 cameras and switching lenses back and forth, 
> is
> a job for younger photographers than I. 
> 
> I carry a color camera 90% of the time.  The images I get are sometimes
> (5-10%) changed in post to B+W.  I see no problem in deciding later....
> 
> It IS a different aesthetic.  Not better nor worse.  Different.
> 
> As is said... there are no rules.
> 
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at verizon.net
> 
> 
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