Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1997/04/01

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Subject: Re: x-tol developer and tri-x400
From: Randolph Carlisle <carlisle@shentel.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:43:42 -0500

Robert Brummett wrote:
> 
> >Robert Brummett wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi friends:
> >> >
> >> >Some months ago, in the LUG there was an interesting thread on developers.
> >> >There was somebody that pointed out the new Kodak x-tol developer, and
> >>seemed
> >> >to have quite an expertise in using it.
> >> >I started using it, and although I already prefer it to my former T-max
> >> >developer, I still have some black holes.
> >> >
> >> >Could this person please tell me what does it change to use it at full
> >> >strength, or at each of the different dilutions? I find the info that kodak
> >> >has on the internet, insufficient.
> >> >
> >> >Also, when I use it at full strength(supposedly reusable for an amount of
> >> >rolls) and keep it in the common black plastic bottle, when I want to reuse
> >>it
> >> >for the second time, after some days, it has a grey color, totally different
> >> >from the transparent color it had after the first use. Is this normal? If it
> >> >is not, I am worried that it could be my chrome M6 dying its color into the
> >> >negatives and them to the developer.
> >> >
> >> >P.S: As you see IT IS a Leica-related message  : )
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >        Nicolas Levinton. Madrid. SPAIN
> >> >        nlevintonm.i-solev@nexo.es
> >>
> >> Nicolas-
> >>
> >> You may be seeing the residue of anti-halation (and perhaps other) dyes
> >> from the film you have developed. I use, and recommend, a water pre-soak
> >> immediately preceding development. In addition to removing some of the
> >> dyes, this pre-soak renders the film more amenable to even development and
> >> helps toprevent airbells. I doubt that the discoloration represents any
> >> serious problem, BUT it is just another reason to consider going to a
> >> developer that allows fresh, mix-on-the-spot, one-shot doses.
> >>
> >> Robert
> >Nicolas:
> >If you are going to pre-soak, you will probably need to increase your
> >development time about 20%
> >Randolph
> 
> Test this with care! I have pre-soaked for years, and my times are always
> 20-25% BELOW Kodak reccs. I don't doubt Randolph's warning, but I'd like to
> know how he arrives at it.
> 
> Robert
Robert:
I had better looking negatives after increasing development about 20% 
Pre-soak completely eliminated any problems I was having with air bells,
but was giving negatives that were a little thinner than I liked.  Of
course, any statement concerning time/temperature development needs
testing by the individual.  I have lived places where the water supply
gave a one stop push to development in relation to distilled water. 
There are a number of emulsions that should not be pre-soaked, according
to manufacturer's recommendations.
Randolph