Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1998/09/22

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Subject: [Leica] [Leica] R3/4/5 2nd hand offers
From: Doug Herr <71247.3542@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:53:58 -0400

On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, JOHN GILBERT wrote:

>>>>>>>>>Today, the
>>candidate R user must weigh price/risks with R3/4/5 2nd hand offers,
>>which do not have a very good reliability reputation, even on this list=
,
>>and which are very low-key spec wise. <<<<<<<<<<
>>

>Is this true? Is this the general attitude on the list toward those
bodies?
>
>JG

John,

My experience is with the R4s and R4sP.  I purchased the R4s new in 1984 =
or
so and had no trouble with it.  One of the R4sP bodies I purchased used;
after I bought a winder I found that this body did not work right with th=
e
winder. It was repaired by Leica USA and has worked well since then.  The=

other R4sP was rebuilt from a wreck (mechanics: me, electronics: Leica US=
A)
and has been perfectly reliable.

What I have read is that early R4 bodies (not R4s or R4sP) were very
trouble-prone.  The problematic bodies had serial numbers below 1,600,000=
=2E

Early R3 production was also notoriously unreliable.  Problems usually
occurred right away.  I suspect that any R3 or R4 which has been used muc=
h
and is now functioning properly either worked right from the start or has=

been repaired.  For this reason I'd be more likely to buy a used R3 or R4=

in "user" condition than one in "mint" condition.

One's perception of a camera's reliablility will be influenced by how har=
d
the camera is used.  Some bodies will hold up well under continuous, heav=
y
use, while others may have trouble with this usage but show no signs of
trouble after years of more moderate use.  My R-bodies have had only
moderate use.

Doug Herr
Sacramento